later i can post tons of scriptures to reference, but no point if nobody has run into this.
have you seen what appears to be 2 different groups of annointed?
perhaps one selected/predestined by jehovah and another not predestined by invited by jesus?
Later I can post tons of scriptures to reference, but no point if nobody has run into this.
Have you seen what appears to be 2 different groups of annointed? Perhaps one selected/predestined by Jehovah and another not predestined by invited by Jesus?
Also, have you seen anything speaking about one having Jehovahs spirit, Jesus spirit and both? What is the difference or how would one know which one has or if both?
romans 8:29. for whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.. .
so according to this, only certain people are chosen for a predestination.. how are their images conformed?
have they been genetically manipulated?
It won't be done that way.
When conditions of the world make today look like a golden age, and nobody has the answers or understanding. When worldwide there are people who do not know eachother nor are associated together in anyway but are shining and giving understanding and yet separate are in agreement and the same message, then you will know.
the book of job has sometimes been read as an anti-humanist reply to the notion that the creator is a god who takes a personal interest in humanity.. job was stricken with illness and various trials.
his three "friends" suggested that he must have done something to offend god for these terrible tribulations to have befallen him.
job protested his innocence.
The book of Jobs message is for GOD'S FOLLOWERS, those who 'think' they are righteous.
Now Job did everything and every work he knew possible. He said thought himself perfect.
His 3 friends, they brought up good points, Job kept saying he was perfect and wants to talk directly to God because he can prove that he is perfect and did NOTHING deserving of anything.
Jobs friends said that it's IMPOSSIBLE to be 100% righteous, and that Job did something, and GOD is punishing him. They told him even if he did not do anything, that the fact he is saying he did is self righteous and GOD is punishing him for that. If Job admits he did sin, even if a secret one, that GOD would stop punishing him. They told him that his attempts to be righteous, made him God's eyes. Job took that to mean they were telling him he would be better off sinning and Job said he would not change, and still blaming God for unjust punishment on him. (His friends had ONE thing right, and that is that we can't become self righteous, everyone has sinned, and no matter how much good we due, we are not OWED anything by God)
The last guy, he rebuked and corrected BOTH of them. Job WAS wrong to question God, was wrong to blame him or think he was the one doing this (it was Satan), and to think he was blameless, because even 'thinking' that can lead to sin, haughty, works vs faith, etc.
The friends, they were wrong in saying it was Jehovah doing it too. They were wrong to judge him.
The story of Job helps those who are looking for the answers on being good in Jehovahs eyes, but not trying to live by works. You must be righteous, but not think your works will OWE you anything. It's a complex and hard to understand, but after much reading and prayer will start to get it. In Pauls letters, many of them address the same issue.
romans 8:29. for whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.. .
so according to this, only certain people are chosen for a predestination.. how are their images conformed?
have they been genetically manipulated?
You are on the right track, there is some bible truth your starting to discover. You'll probably want to relook at the bible prophecies of the last days, and also you may notice that there are different types of 'holy spirit', or what may be thought of as 'holy spirit'.
If you posted this because your researching and finding out some things, would love to talk to ya. Looking for those who are getting this 'real light'.
i forgot, and doing some comparisions on things, i know this was probably talked about much so the date is probably fresh in someones mind.
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I was talking about having a different watchtower for the meetings vs the ones placed in the field. Wanting to compare and see if "any" in the field since have talked about the faithful slave like almost every one at meetings has been talking about. Or if it's like bait and switch, showing it's bible and Jehovah in the WT, then once at meetings its the faithful slave haha
i forgot, and doing some comparisions on things, i know this was probably talked about much so the date is probably fresh in someones mind.
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I forgot, and doing some comparisions on things, I know this was probably talked about much so the date is probably fresh in someones mind.
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so far quite dissappointed from what i've seen.
this is very very important, first i"ll address the non/ex jw then i'll address the jw's (jw's scroll down if don't wanna see the first part).
i see so many who have concluded that it was not 'god inspired', a lot of what is being done, and their conscience told them that many things conflicted with jesus teachings and the bible.
DubR - even though I 'go' to the meetings, I don't believe everything which is taught. So you may consider me an ex-jw as well. I am well aware of the double lives those who go to every meeting or service. That's why if you read my first post, what I said to JW's. Many think that just doing the 6 hours a week then they can do whatever they want after that. They are in for a big surprise when they find out that not only is the teachings not the truth, but that now they are guilty of judging.
I been praying and repenting for my part in some of those things over the years.
I can't tell if you believe in the bible or not. First post looks like your saying it's a bogus book, then last post looks like your saying you follow it. Anyway, I have nothing more to say. My purpose is not to debate or prove anything, just encouraging ones who been misled and stumbled that it is the path and it does have the answers.
so far quite dissappointed from what i've seen.
this is very very important, first i"ll address the non/ex jw then i'll address the jw's (jw's scroll down if don't wanna see the first part).
i see so many who have concluded that it was not 'god inspired', a lot of what is being done, and their conscience told them that many things conflicted with jesus teachings and the bible.
Dubr, I'm well aware of YHWH and the Jehovah translation. I'm not trying to preach or teach the 'truth' here, get people to do it on their own. I'm using the language those here understand. If I talk to Muslims, I'll talk about Allah, etc.
And you are 100% correct on the differences in the books of Matt, Mark, Luke, John. They are PURPOSELY there. There are very carefully hidden secrets, sacred secrets in the bible. Impossible to understand or discover without Jehovah opening your mind, and you seeking them out like treasure. What you pointed out is related to one of the many, and you will not find the answer online anywhere.
so far quite dissappointed from what i've seen.
this is very very important, first i"ll address the non/ex jw then i'll address the jw's (jw's scroll down if don't wanna see the first part).
i see so many who have concluded that it was not 'god inspired', a lot of what is being done, and their conscience told them that many things conflicted with jesus teachings and the bible.
Okay, my last attempt to explain my position and who I was talking about.
Many do no longer believe in God or the bible. Let's be honest, that being the case, while being 'good' people, in the aspect of what you do in your lives and how you treat others, there would be little reason to abstain from fornication, etc, premarital sex, etc. It's natural to want to do that, most of us abstain because of respect for Jehovah and how it's only for while in marriage. Many of us have no desire to steal, murder, etc, but that's one thing hard to control ourselves on. Then there are those too who for some reason love to use profanity, and even many 'worldly' people don't. Then the holidays, what bad is in them? Fun, yes, only reason not to is out of respect for Jehovah. So those who do not believe in God or the bible anymore, I understand that your happy as you are now, just doing what you believe is right.
I still go to meetings, etc, the only reason, is I'm not being rash and waiting for Jehovah's direction. Based on my reading and studies, a huge list of things that no longer believe or agree with. I'm actually drawing more close to Jehovah, and my life is becoming even more strict lol. The reason I haven't left, is that trying to figure how Jehovah wants me to serve him. If I leave or get dfed, can't help any in the organization, as I very well know from being raised myself how dfed and or 'apostates' are treated.
Are told how many want to do their own thing, not lead moral lives, etc, and thats why look for fault to twist their reasoning and leave. ANd be honest, SOME DO. Not saying everyone who reads this meets that. Raymond Franz, and many from the association who had left, were literally because of conscience or trying to really serve God and were going to obey him vs man. I always thought that finding fault w/ history, etc, didn't change that now was doing all God wants from the bible.
Well, when on my own, never by words or sites from opposers. Started seeing how were going against the bible. Judging ones repentence, or how spiritual by 'works' of meeting, service. Not having the love Jesus taught, etc. Then the end times prophecies, and how many haven't happened yet, how many are talkinga bout today.
Then I saw how many are having their lives at stake now. Leading super clean lives, but JUDGING and NOT SHOWING LOVE, the way Jesus and the early christians taught. And read the condition of Gods people right up to the great tribulation, and what he intends to do about it. (IT WAS DEAD ON RIGHT) And the REASON for the great tribulation, and what exactly will be happening.
The bible started to really open up to me and I felt like being a JW was being fed milk, like your whole life all your taught can be done in 1 day, very very basic milk and never had whole food. I had awaken from a deep sleep and was starving for real spiritual food, and for months have been devouring it.
All this insight really scared me, as I was very very concerned for friends and family. When trying to talk to family about it, it was like the ancient Israels, thinking maybe had a demon, being blind to what trying to show, accusations, etc.
My insight brought to light so many things I had been lacking and not doing. Not showing true love, not supporting family, judging followers of God, not trusting in Jehovah for food/clothing, building up earthly treasures for myself as my thinking is based on USA thinking on riches, etc.
I am still getting tons of insight, and dont' expect to get a clear picture of what Jehovah would will me to do until done showing all he wants to. Until then, trying to lead by example among the JW. For example, one didn't have any food, is loosing everything, his OWN FAMILY won't help him, has had to sell most his possessions, and his mom said well you shouldn't of missed the meeting. He can't even buy gas. His congregation and friends supposedly know and no help. I am in a tough situation, but sent him a gift card, and trying to encourage him to read the BIBLE.
My own relatives, some also going through real hard time, and family isn't helping family. Or in the congregation love not being there, etc. So for the moment trying to lead by example, and if anybody asks anything or is really down or being treated bad, just really trying to get them to read the bible, go to Jehovah, and to understand he may have some insight for them in it.
I came here, because of the road I've been on, and seeing if any others in this place too. Was hoping to find some who saw what's not being done according to Jehovah's word and been learning the real truth too. So my 'disappointment' was just in that looks like for the most part those who realize all being done isn't the truth threw in the towel and just doing what they feel is right and that even the bible isn't God's word or he exists.
When getting the real light and Jehovah's direction in the bible, and how it works, you KNOW it's not man's word, how it is perfectly describing what's going on right now, and at the same time is unseen by most.
The sad part, is that if you don't believe in it or God anymore, if your enjoying your life right now, what it's shown me is coming, is FAR WORSE then what is taught by JW's. What's taught is that just a great tribulation is coming, once it starts it should be fairly bad but quick, then armagedon. Only thing waiting for is religion being destroyed worldwide.
What is going to happen, is MUCH MUCH more detailed, and much scarier. The scriptures even mention how people would be looking forward to Jehovah's day or wishing it would hurry up, but that those people are not even in the right spot in Jehovah's eyes and how dare they wish it would hurry up, they themselves would perish if so. So yes, when these things begin to happen, (most of the things are set in place to trigger it), gonna feel for those who have no hope at all. When they do though, many will still have a chance to repent and draw close to God during the great tribulation. (but there is a difference prior and after)
ill have a long weekend this week because of the thanksgiving holyday.
i made plans to have the entire weekend off with no activities in order to have time to begin to awake my wife.
i dont plan to lay everything out in one day, nor take the approach of we are living this organization, rather, im taking the approach of here is some information that we should consider and think about.
None of those will work. Also depends on the end reason for what your doing. If really trying to help, then lead by example, get real heavy in bible reading, and having Jehovah and the BIBLE change your life. Bringing out scriptures, and somebody slowly seeing how things are NOT going in harmony with the bible. The instant somebody who fully believes in faithful slave things apostate thinking is happening, will block it out mentally.
