As Highdose said earlier in the thread: It's part of the mental conditioning.
If an elder studies with you they are certain to know you've been reprogrammed.
If you fail to reprogram you're out.
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Why do elders offer to "study" with witnesses?
by donuthole inhas anybody else ever experienced this?
when you get into a bit of trouble in the congregation or have certain questions/doubts over teachings and they want to study with you all over again?
you could have been a witness your whole life, know the bible teach/live forever/knowledge book front to back, even have studied with others and brought them into the religion - and the elder sitting across from you wants to know if a bible study would help you.
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Watchtower Bible and Tract Society will move their world headquarters to Warwick -- Patterson Part Deux
by oppostate inwatchtower will move world headquarters to warwick.
warwick - if all goes according to plan, jehovahs witnesses will relocate their world headquarters from brooklyn to warwick.. .
at its regular meeting on nov. 19, the warwick town board announced the plans by the religious group.. the visual impact of the religious denominations plans to refurbish the former international nickel company property off long meadow road stand as the primary concern residents want addressed in any environmental impact statement.. .
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Watchtower will move world headquarters to Warwick
Warwick - If all goes according to plan, Jehovah’s Witnesses will relocate their world headquarters from Brooklyn to Warwick.
At its regular meeting on Nov. 19, the Warwick Town Board announced the plans by the religious group.The visual impact of the religious denomination’s plans to refurbish the former International Nickel Company property off Long Meadow Road stand as the primary concern residents want addressed in any environmental impact statement.
The plans for the new headquarters that are before the town’s Planning Board call for almost 90 percent of the 257 acre site to remain in its natural condition. The site consists of approximately 195 acres of forest, 37 acres of wetlands and Blue Lake, and almost 14 acres of roads, buildings and landscaping.The plans include specifications to meet the Green Building Initiative’s three “Green Globes” standard, a building rating system used in the U.S. and Canada. The proposed Watchtower redevelopment site has been vacant since the mid 1990’s. Two other tax-exempt entities - Kings College and later Touro College - each abandoned plans to redevelop the site.
Supervisor Michael Sweeton said attorneys for Jehovah’s Witnesses invited him to tour its other New York campuses in Patterson and Shawangunk to demonstrate “what they do, what their campuses look like and how they fit into the community.”The project has received a positive declaration under the State Environmental Quality Review, meaning the town is required to “identify and mitigate the significant environmental impacts” before approving the plans. Sweeton said the proposed campus seems like a good fit for the site and he is “pleased so little land would be disturbed.” The site sits in the Tuxedo School District, which had concerns about children on the campus; however, Sweeton said according to the religious order it only permits members without children to work and live on campus. Members with children would have to leave the site and settle in the community where their children would attend school.
If the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society proposal goes through, it will have a minimal carbon footprint, says Sweeton, and “use all kinds of recycled materials with a vast amount of open space to remain.”
He also said members visiting the campus will stay in bed and breakfasts and hotels, eat in restaurants and shop, bringing tourism dollars with them. -
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Mill Hill Disfellowshippings
by BorgHater ina few months ago there was a thread about a couple of elders at the mill hill bethel being disfellowshipped because they disagreed with some wt doctrine (i can't recall exactly what it was) and that several other betheliteswere under 'investigation'.
i haven't heard anything since, does anyone know anything more about this?.
borghater xx.
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oppostate
If you get a chance Paul, I'd be interested in learning about your Judicial
Committee meeting and how things went. I listened to Ed Dunlap's tape
online and it was very heart wrenching to hear how a brother could be
treated in such an un-Christian manner. I forget which website it was that
I found it on once I started reading Crisis of Conscience and searching the
internet for more information.
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The Rise of the Conscious Class
by truthseeker in"i believe in one god, and no more; and i hope for happiness beyond this life.
i believe the equality of man, and i believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.
but, lest it should be supposed that i believe many other things in addition to these, i shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things i do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.
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Count me in, graduating conscious class 2010.
Thanks TruthSeeker for the well thought out, well worded article for this thread.
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email fwd from my mom: utter BS..bet the sheeple eat this crap up and MY REACTION
by SnakesInTheTower ini received this crap from my jw mom today.
i hope it doesn't "encourage" you to go back .
you see, when i left, i immediately felt the relief of not being burned all the time by all of the gossip that occurs within the congregations, circuits, etc.
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Sooo, could it be that the person in question didn't realize what the elder
was doing playing with the embers and only needed someone to be there
for companionship? If the elder really meant to use his little illustration
he would have made application of it I'm sure otherwise he'd run the risk
that the message would be lost. It sounds so much like a made up story.
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Something You Hate About The Jehovah's Witness Religion
by minimus inone thing that truly bothers me is that the religion forces you to accept an understanding they have expressed.
they might very well change their view and you simply have to accept the newest view or you are the bad guy!
the generation understanding has changed so much since its inception, how could any witness possibly be 100% sure that what they're told to believe in is "the truth"??.
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I hate the fact that they've stolen some of the best years of people's lives
under a religious pretense in order to increase their publishing company's
wealth and corporate holdings.
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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower
by Ultimate Reality infrom jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .
article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.
13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.
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Oh the fatigue of ever changing pronouncements and erroneous interpretations, how long must this go on!
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If the Watchtower truly collapsed, how would you deal with your JW relatives?
by nicolaou inimagine the best case scenario.
the watchtower society implodes from within even making final printed admissions that it is voluntarily dismantling it's mission and legally dissolving the corporations.
oh happy day!
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Wouldn't that be nice. Unfortunately look at what happend with the Church of God - Armstrong people.
They divided into smaller sects and now they're a rainbow of different flavors and beliefs. Similarly the
Bible Student movement has several small but separate churches who loosely associate and have
conferences, but some don't get along with others, and refuse to exchange elders for talks etc.
The situation in Romania is interesting since there are several groups claiming to be the one true
Jehovah's Witnesses. Very similarly, if the WT were to fall, I'd see some going the way of Trinitarian
churches, others sticking by current beliefs, others reforming their beliefs with many along this wide
range of religious belief options... breaking apart and reassembling, sort of replicator style.
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oppostate
Your choices have a lot to do with how you're treated.
If you come home late on purpose just to test the waters
to see if you may not like the reception at your new place
then you're putting your new hosts to the test, they may
not like that. Think about what you can do to improve your
lot in life, talk to these new host parents you have, be
helpful to them, talk with them about being afraid to make
mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, hang in there and
do seek professional counseling that may help you deal
with the PTSD. I don't think we have many professional
counselors on this board but some have a lot of experience
with handling abuse cases and giving support. I hope you
find peace and a happy situation in your life.
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Bill Cetnar tells a lie ....
by Raphael innot the way to refute watchtower theology:.
bill and joan cetnar make a statement that russell said he spoke to angels , this is a blatant lie and we know what the bible says about liars .... he also says that russell claimed to be the fds and the laodicean messenger, both statements are misleading .
russell never claimed in any of his writings that he spoke to angels or was the aforementioned messenger or the fds , rather it was some of his associates that suggested he may be.. the cetnars also make a number of other poorly researched and misleading statements that sadly bring their own characters into disrepute .. .
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oppostate
I agree that there was a lot Bill Cetnar did to help others who wanted to escape the clutches of the WT Society.
Perhaps Bill was trying to bring out inflamatory facts against the WT not realizing that some of these were in error.
The problem is that if error is found then it calls into question other claims which although less inflamatory may be accurate.