oppostate
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Photoshop Op...
by oppostate inwouldn't it be great to see the big 8, wel the big 8 in the jw world not the national leaders big 8, ehem.. if they would all grow a beard for the next business meeting in october, where the nu-lite(r) is that beards are ok for men.. could someone photoshop one of the prevalent new smiley photos of the gb and put a few weeks of whisker growth on them?.
just wondering what it would look like.
not duck dynasty length, perhaps, but nicely trimmed full beards, or maybe goatees.. what do you think it would look like?
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Photoshop Op...
by oppostate inwouldn't it be great to see the big 8, wel the big 8 in the jw world not the national leaders big 8, ehem.. if they would all grow a beard for the next business meeting in october, where the nu-lite(r) is that beards are ok for men.. could someone photoshop one of the prevalent new smiley photos of the gb and put a few weeks of whisker growth on them?.
just wondering what it would look like.
not duck dynasty length, perhaps, but nicely trimmed full beards, or maybe goatees.. what do you think it would look like?
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Wouldn't it be great to see the big 8, wel the big 8 in the JW world not the national leaders big 8, ehem.
If they would all grow a beard for the next business meeting in October, where the nu-lite(R) is that beards are ok for men.
Could someone photoshop one of the prevalent new smiley photos of the GB and put a few weeks of whisker growth on them?
Just wondering what it would look like. Not Duck Dynasty length, perhaps, but nicely trimmed full beards, or maybe goatees.
What do you think it would look like?
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New Leaflet to give to JW about TTATT
by TJ Curioso inhi to all my fellows "apostates" in all world... especially in e.u.a.
and uk.. as some of you already know, ex-jw in portugal created a leaflet especialy to send to jw in all the country (individualy or to congregations).
we must say that it was a sucess from the point of view of the impact originated.
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oppostate
Do I get kudos for translating it into English or should I remain unmentioned like the WT writers.
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The real reason for the new donation arrangement?
by redvip2000 inyesterday i was having a beer with a friend of mine who happens to be an accountant, and we began discussing this ridiculous arrangement that the watchtower has put in place.
after giving him the backstory of how the watchtower has been lending money to the local congregations and charging interest, he simply could not believe they had been doing that.. he then offered an explanation which really made sense to me.
he said that in reality what the watchtower society has been doing is actually not legal in light of their tax-exempt status.
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oppostate
At our last Serv Mtg it was announced that we had two resolutions to make.
1. Due to the slips turned in the congregation will be giving $1,200 p.mo. to the Building Committee for upkeep of the KH.
2. The congregation resolves to donate $850 p.mo. to the Kingdom Hall Building Fund.
They both passed almost unanimously. (... With only myself and two others I saw abstaining).
That's a monthly total of $2,050. (The other Cong. that shares the KH is making a similarly expensive resolution).
In the past the local contribution to the Building Committee was $1,475 p.mo. and always less than $100 for the KHBF.
There were quite a few months where the Cong. came up short last year.
How the heck do the elders think the publishers will really live up to contributing even more this coming service year?
Oh, and good-bye to the $14, 000 saved-up reserve in the Building Committee bank account as well.
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What Do Mormons Really Believe? RE: The Nov. 8, 1995 Awake Magazine
by D_Rolling_Kearney ini am a member of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints, and i have written a heavily-documented response to the official magazine of the jehovah's witnesses, awake!, that claims to teach what we believe.
i saw an article from last year's watchtower about a guy who had barely been mormon for very long, and obviously did not know what we believe, who was given this magazine by jw's to show him "the truth.
" he claims to have proven to himself that it was true from information on the lds church's website.
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We don't need no stinking lies of Joseph Smith promoted on a mostly ex-JW forum!
One thing I'm glad for is that everytime the google ads promoting Mormonism show up on the JWN forum pages, mormons are getting charged for the ads, at least it may keep Simon getting some revenue to keep JWN going. :-)
Mormonism is even worse in my opinion than JWism but not by much, they're both high control, brainwashing CULTS!
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What is this new Announcement to take place in August?
by Quarterback injust heard from an elder.
he told me that there is another change to be announced in august.
he didn't know more about it.. any other info?.
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What is this new Announcement to take place in August?
by Quarterback injust heard from an elder.
he told me that there is another change to be announced in august.
he didn't know more about it.. any other info?.
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...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...
by OUTLAW in.. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...
.. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...
are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...
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oppostate
In the congo I frequent everyone seems very glad that the GB has forgiven their remodeling debts, for a project that the congregation didn't really want, for a sum of money that they didn't want to borrow in the first place.
They don't seem to understand that they'll now be contributing that amount or more every month without there being an end to the contributing for a loan that is not there anymore.
However... there's the hope.
The hope that awakened publishers will pledge high numbers of dollars and then wait for the elders to worry about making the totals every month.
If they're so saintly chosen as elders by the CO then let them come up with the money for Momma WT. Let's see how long that game lasts.
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Has anyone noticed in the NWT book of Psalms, some of them the "S" is left off
by Legacy ini was at a meeting.
we were in psalms..i don't know why i was looking at the other books of psalms, & noticed that the"s" was left off of psalms...don't remember what chapters, being i don't have my bible with me now....check it out for yourselves.
i will come back when i find it myself.
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oppostate
In English one says Psalm 83:18 and not Psalms 83:18.
Each psalm is like a song. So you're saying Song #...
The Book of Psalms is a collection of psalms, a collection of songs.
But when you want to quote from that book you mention each psalm
since each psalm is a chapter.
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Great campagne in Portugal (ex-JW)
by TJ Curioso ini like to tell you what we've been doing these past few days here in portugal (ex-jw).
we create a brochure and printing, so we can send to the maximum of congregations in portugal.
some individuals were also covered in this campaign.. the title of the pamphlet is: "when will the kingdom arrive?".
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oppostate
All right, here's a quick translation of the Portuguese leaflet.
Please note that English isn't my first, second nor third language
so the phrasing may not be up to "native standards":
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When will the Kingdom come?
Wondering about the future is a sincere human desire. Knowing what the future will bring can enable us to be better prepared to face it and make the most appropriate choices now.
Christians also have this yearning to know what the future will bring, even more so because Jesus instructed them:
"Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness..." (Matthew 6:33)
“You must pray, then, this way… Let your Kingdom come..." (Matthew 6:9, 10)
For about two thousand years Christians have obeyed this command. They’ve prayed and looked forward to the arrival of this Kingdom. Even when Jesus was still with us in his physical body, his followers asked him:
"Tell us, when shall these things be?" (Matthew 24:3)
[Jesus, meeting with his disciples on the Mount of Olives, prophesies about the future destruction of Jerusalem]
“Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” (Acts 1:6)
Jesus didn’t rebuke them for asking that. But notice how he answered them:
“...these things must take place, but the end is not yet.” (Matthew 24:6)
“It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons…” (Acts 1:7)
Note that he didn’t tell them a date. Quite the contrary, for Jesus made it clear that it would not be for them to have knowledge of dates ("times", "seasons”).
But then, didn’t Jesus indicate a time or a season by telling them:
“... and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled” (Luke 21:24)
But consider this, could it be that this prophecy was not fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem? After its destruction in 70 CE, Jerusalem ceased to make sense as the center of Jewish worship. Its role in the unfolding of God's purpose came to an end.
Therefore , wanting to determine what these "appointed times of the nations" means can be a futile effort.
Some may say, this Scripture could enlighten research on the meaning of those appointed times:
“Concerning this salvation, the prophets … made a diligent inquiry and a careful search. They kept on investigating what particular time or what season the spirit within them was indicating concerning Christ.” ( 1 Pet. 1:10, 11 )
And so, wouldn’t it then be also worthwhile to try to find the "season", that is, an approximate date for the coming of God's Kingdom?
The following list may let us see where this research led the Bible Students, now known as Jehovah's Witnesses { 1 } :
{1} http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses
1877: Christ's kingdom would hold full sway over the earth in 1914; the Jews, as a people, would be restored to God's favor; the "saints" would be carried to heaven.
1891: 1914 would be "the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men."
1904: "World-wide anarchy" would follow the end of the Gentile Times in 1914.
1916: World War I would terminate in Armageddon and the rapture of the "saints".
1917: In 1918, Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions." Church members would "perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy." The dead would lie unburied. In 1920 all earthly governments would disappear, with worldwide anarchy prevailing.
1920: Messiah's kingdom would be established in 1925 and bring worldwide peace. God would begin restoring the earth. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful patriarchs would be resurrected to perfect human life and be made princes and rulers, the visible representatives of the New Order on earth. Those who showed themselves obedient to God would never die.
1922: The anti-typical "jubilee" that would mark God's intervention in earthly affairs would take place "probably the fall" of 1925.
1924: God's restoration of Earth would begin "shortly after" October 1, 1925. Jerusalem would be made the world's capital. Resurrected "princes" such as Abel, Noah, Moses and John the Baptist would give instructions to their subjects around the world by radio, and airplanes would transport people to and from Jerusalem from all parts of the globe in just "a few hours".
1938: Armageddon was too close for marriage or child bearing.
1941: There were only "months" remaining until Armageddon.
1942: Armageddon was "immediately before us."
1961: Awake! magazine stated that the heavenly kingdom "will, within the twentieth century, cleanse the entire earth of wickedness."
1966: It would be 6000 years since man's creation in the fall of 1975 and it would be "appropriate" for Christ's thousand-year reign to begin at that time. Time was "running out, no question about that." The "immediate future" was "certain to be filled with climactic events ... within a few years at most", the final parts of Bible prophecy relating to the "last days" would undergo fulfillment as Christ's reign began.
1967: The end-time period (beginning in 1914) was claimed to be so far advanced that the time remaining could "be compared, not just to the last day of a week, but rather, to the last part of that day".
1968: No one could say "with certainty" that the battle of Armageddon would begin in 1975, but time was "running out rapidly" with "earthshaking events" soon to take place. In March 1968 there was a "short period of time left", with "only about ninety months left before 6000 years of man's existence on earth is completed".
1969: The existing world order would not last long enough for young people to grow old; the world system would end "in a few years." Young Witnesses were told not to bother pursuing tertiary education for this reason.
1971: The "battle in the day of Jehovah" was described as beginning "[s]hortly, within our twentieth century".
1974: There was just a "short time remaining before the wicked world's end" and Witnesses were commended for selling their homes and property to "finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service."
1984: There were "many indications" that "the end" was closer than the end of the 20th century.
And now the latest literature refinements { 2 } seem to point to the year 2035 as the deadline for the end of the "system of things", arguing that Noah preached for 120 years until the Great Flood came. Leaving us with the idea of this new date by drawing parallels to our present day and adding 120 years to 1914.
When this date arrives and nothing happens, maybe they’ll study the arguments of Isaac Newton, who pointed to the year 2060. { 3 }
What does the Bible say about this habit of trying to schedule a time for the end of the "system of things"? Note that the Bible couldn’t be clearer on this:
" …He [Jesus] said: “Look out that you are not misled, for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time is near.’ Do not go after them.” (Luke 21:8 )
{ 2 } The Watchtower December 15, 2013 , on p . 14-19 Article : " More than ever we need to be vigilant".
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Leaflet No. 1 - May 2014
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@TJ: The portuguese text says 70AEC it should be 70EC.