Posts by oppostate

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Things I Never Knew When I Was A Witness!

by disillusioned 2 in

there are some things that as a witness i never knew.

maybe i was just going through the motions, attending meetings and not listening much.

never was very good at personal study or underlining answers in watchtower or book study (i never ever answered up) was too shy.. i never knew when i was a witness that they taught that jesus had looked down on the earth in 1919 to see who was serving god most accurately, and of course he chose a small group of bible students living in america!

oppostate

@TheOldHippie

I wasn't lazy in my studying WT litter-trash. And I agree with D2. There were/are a lot of things that the WT tries to keep from current members, re-writing the past like something out of 1984.

To me it was a shock to find out that they taught Jesus was only the mediator for the 144k and not all the JW's. It was and still is shocking that they insist the "great crowd of other sheep" can only become "friends of God" and not God's children through their belief in Jesus as the Christ. It's was shocking to find out about the UN-NGO membership and then their attempt to cover it over. It's still shocking to me how they add to the hurt of those sexually abused as children and would rather fight them in court than seek to reform their policies to aid them and support their healing.

But now the internet is making it easier to find out about the WT and its shenanigans. And that's a very good thing.

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Im wondering...maybe the GB are truly mentally damaged, not just deceivers.

by sowhatnow in

has anyone by chance read the latest issue of pshychology today?

april issue, article title' moment of impact'.. i havent fiished reading it yet, but it got me thinking, how likely is it that many born in jws [ teens in particular since thats the age these issues start to appear] will end up with these problems mentioned in the article?

i know of a few adults that have this problem, schizophrenia, bi polar, ect.

oppostate

Very thought provoking article.

The WT religion thrives on mental manipulation. There so much manipulating you can do before the damage starts to show. It's like bending a piece of wire back and forth, back and forth, it gets overheated and snaps.

There would be a lot more snapping JW minds if not for modern anti-depressants.

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JWs and "Simple Truths"

by JW_Rogue in

in public talks we would always hear about how we knew god's word was the truth because it was simple and clear.

how god revealed the real truth to uneducated and ordinary people.

the problem is that in reality something being simple or clear isn't an indicator of it's truthfulness at all.

oppostate

@JW_Rogue

I understand what you're saying, and yet...
Trying to explain how to get to 1914 through the times and half time, 607 and the books of Daniel and Revelation wasn't so simple.

There are truths that may seem simple like E=mc2, but there's a lot of complexity in arriving at them. Unlike with the "Truth(R)" of the WT which is not complex but rather a chaotic mess.

In my opinion, the WT hierarchy wants simpletons for followers. Out of necessity they have a simple English issue because even the 3rd grade reading level of the regular WT is now too much.

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The real reason so many witnesses end up here....

by stuckinarut2 in

why do so many witnesses end up coming to forums like this?.

no doubt it is because of the fact that the society disallows any form of sincere questioning of teachings or doctrines or history etc.... if there was open discussion allowed - free of repercussions and punishment, then no one would feel stifled.

if genuine concerns could be raised, then no one would feel smothered or unable to share thoughts... then in turn many would not leave.... but due to the high control, authoritarian culture the society has created, many feel trapped, and end up searching outside of official channels...and leaving the society.....

oppostate

It is so ironic that the WT has gone to the highest courts to defend the right to free speech and yet they deny this very right to their members.

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To the lurkers: This cult of a religion keeps killing my marriage over and over

by goingthruthemotions in

first let me say, if i could turn back time and never get involved with this cult.

i would.. to the lurkers: .

if you on the fence and could leave.

oppostate

@GGTM
Same here, same type of situation. I agree it is an F'ing cult that F's with members emotions and minds.

The WT hierarchy has fine tuned their skills for many decades, manipulating and controlling, destroying families, sucking the life out of them for their own aggrandizement and benefit.

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I need food for thought..

by raven in

hi friends,it has been 20 years that i've slaved for the wt and through out the past couple of years i could feel myself fighting an urge to accept that something was not right.

i fought it off for so long only for it to resurface frequently throughout my years of pioneering, assembly/convention parts, & speaking with people about the "truth", slaving and giving to try to be a "spiritual person" but in reality i was not spiritual because spirituality (according to the org) is doing all of the things they want you to do.

which then will label you as spiritual... no !!!

oppostate

The book "In Search of Christian Freedom" by Raymond Franz was a great help for me in understanding how the WT doctrines prevent a person from growing spiritually and offer the view that one can find Christian freedom as promised in Scripture. It's really a heady book but very clearly and easy to follow. It is long, though, 700 pages or so. But definitely worth a read.

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The Finished Mystery: 1917 Print

by Hadriel in

anyone have a copy of this book?

i'll pay hard cash :).. i don't know if this is appropriate to post so if not feel free to can the post.. pm if you have a copy and would part with it..

oppostate

It's available at archive.org in digital format:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=The%20Finished%20Mystery%3A%201917

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Three reasons why I may have to back.

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

i look back over the last two years of my life with all the experiences i have read about here and other places and these are three experiences that stand out to me.

recently in another post a girl relates her experience of being in the borg and her mom literally threw her away by giving her over to the state after she accused an elder of groping her.

two; i met the man that wrote the insight books for the borg and even though he was at the time the brians of the borgs doctines when he faded his family , brother and his kids are shunning him.

oppostate

"I met the man that wrote the insight books for the Borg"
And who was that supposed to be?

The Insight books (a two volume set) were a revision of the Aid book. Ray Franz, Ed Dunlap and others worked on that first WT encyclopedic book of the Bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Franz#Watch_Tower_career

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not all JW's are asleep

by Damascus in

jw
friends

i am an 'active' jw but i do not agree with most of the doctrines inc blood, baptism, the memorial etc etc.i took the emblems at the memorial because i think we all should recognise and accept jesus' command to remember him.

not for one minute do i think this is only for the so called anointed.

i know it is full of man made error and that my fellow brothers and sisters are in a state of mindless, spiritual unawareness.

oppostate

I think I understand your situation, Damascus.I think there are quite a few here who find themselves now, or have been, in a similar situation to you when awakening from the JW.0rganization's pall.

I've been attending still, but my mouth gets me in trouble, every time. If I say anything that deviates from current JW doctrine it gets reported to the elders and it's just so draining to have to explain yourself to these hounders. Introvert2's claim to be a "Biblical Christian" sounds about right for my own views also.

I'm also partaking because I continue to believe in Jesus as Christ and want to do as he requested in regards to memorializing his sacrificial death and resurrection.

There are a lot of people who've given up on religion of any kind on this forum. If you can put up with that then, as I do, you might find it a place where you can express how you feel and know some can understand what you're going through.

Meleti Vivlon's website is very good. I used to love Channel C too.

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Zone visit Australia?

by stuckinarut2 in

anyone else at this zone visit?.

more higher education bashing, with an embellished "experience"...... more quoting prov 4:18 out of context.. faithful and discreet slave definitions etc..... all the new "understandings" since 2012...... .

we are already in the great tribulation...?.

oppostate

Maybe its the beginning of the overlapping tribulation.

Good one!

Whatta bunch of bullocks these Orwellian fear-mongers keep coming up with.

The hubris of the WT is astounding.

But their path is increasingly darkening not becoming brighter. (Prov 4:18)

And, I do hope the ARC proves to be a major tribulation for this sickening 0rganization.