Hey, Sizemik,
Thanks for the quotes. Do you know if it's possible to get a transcript of the procedings?
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Steven Unthanks case . . . this might help fill some gaps.
by sizemik ini was alerted to steven unthanks latest feature article on jwnews.net .
.. it was posted just a few days ago (11th) and explains a number of things some have puzzled over with regard to australian law, and why things unfolded as they did.. it includes a report compiled by an ex-jw who attended the hearings.. for those that took an interest in the case .
it might fill in some gaps for you.. it's on the home page and entitled .
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Kingdom Hall remodel - scam
by Dagney ini was wondering from any here in the know, does it seem like there is a lot of "remodels" going on?.
in the last week i had the occasion to talk with two jw's in different halls, about 10 miles apart.
they both are undergoing major remodels.
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From DO Brown W. Payne at last CA in Natick, MA.
"The work is on-going, we're not looking back, there's Kingdom Halls to renovate, others to sell and to buy new ones"
"Look at what brothers can accomplish when we work together, look at this beautiful Assembly Hall"
His high pitched delivery gave me the impression of listening to a Realtor on too much caffeine. He went on telling about Patterson and Upstate NY, mentioning expansion in Branches around the world.
Then came the accusations. If you call into question the organization's progress you're taking Jehovah's name in vain.
And the doozy...
Everyone who desires a higher education degree is seeking prominence for their own name.
Why not rather do as a young sister did, say no to a full scholarship to a worldly education and pioneer, then quoted the sister saying how happy she is as a pioneed and volunteer at RBC projects working for the Kingdom's interests, by helping in the organization's increase.
We too should be more concerned about the sanctification of Jehovah's name and not our own.
There's much to be done and keep busy with. There's no time to waste in worldly pursuits.
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The costs for this weekend circuit assembly at this "beautiful assembly hall" were $18,000+
Whatever was left over from last CA, we were told, the elders had voted, and as is the custom, decided that all funds left over would be sent into the Branch for the Worldwide Work: $13,000+
BTW, Bro. Brown W. Payne reminded us that every Friday before a CA or Special Day, we can volunteer to clean the Assembly Hall so that all the friend can enjoy this "beautiful assembly hall", and this is a work that very much needs to be done and brings praise to God. Aren't we thankful to be able to meet in such a "beautiful assembly hall"? (Unanimous applause from the appreciative "friends").
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I was thinking right about this time that maybe the mult-imillion Assembly Hall in Barcelona, Spain which was just sold to the United Church of Christ perhaps not as "beautiful" maybe?
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Kingdom Hall remodel - scam
by Dagney ini was wondering from any here in the know, does it seem like there is a lot of "remodels" going on?.
in the last week i had the occasion to talk with two jw's in different halls, about 10 miles apart.
they both are undergoing major remodels.
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Our local hall underwent a renovation 2 years ago. Does this mean that the society owns the KH?
It's a bit technical but this is what goes on:
The congregation gets a loan from the WTS's Kingdom Hall building fund to which all congregations contribute.
As part of the deal the congregation accepts that the RBC will take over the remodeling.
Also if there isn't a phrase in the congregation holding ownership of the KH that the WTS gets the goods if the congregation disolves or merges then the congregations incorporation charter gets ammended accordingly.
The congregation's incorporation bylaws must state that the officers of the incorporated congregation are those persons currently serving as elders in the congregation, and the WTS is the one who appoints elders to serve in the congregation.
One benefit to the WTS is that the actual value of the building and property is tied up in the local congregation's incorporation until they decide they want to liquidate it.
And the best part is that it doesn't cost the WTS a single cent, everything resulted from donations, yet they have ultimate ownership whenever it suits them.
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Steven Unthank: What do we really know?
by SweetBabyCheezits ini'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
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I found the photo source for the pencil drawing. Briscott
(Brian) used a photo by Islandtime (Viktoria) as the source for his pencil drawing and says he modified color etc. Notice below that Islandtime says "No children were harmed in the making of this image by the way":Cry by *Briscott
From a picture Fix You by Islandtime . colour pencil. Changed the colouring a bitTinEye.com reports it is found in 3 other sites beyond this original...
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Fix You by *islandtime
Tears stream down your face...when you lose something you can't replace.Photography / People & Portraits / Expressive ©2008-2012 *islandtime
From 'Fix You' Coldplay
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No children were harmed in the making of this image by the way.
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WE NEED TO E-MAIL THE PROSECUTOR RIGHT NOW !!!!
by Phizzy inwe need to e-mail the state prosecutor in steven unthanks case right now , please see 3mozzies thread "the governing body to escape ..........".
stevens letter and the e-mail addy are on there.. .
please do it folks, let the guy know the world is watching.
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I just fired off this other email, as there's been no answer from Mr. Chapman.
--Oppostate
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Dear Senator Xenophon, I'm forwarding you a previous email I sent to Mr. John Chapman SC, Director of Public Prosecutions. In my email I express my disbelief and disappointment in Mr. Chapman regarding the mishandling on his part of the cases concerning the abuse of minors and the hiding away of evidence from authorities that seek to protect children from sexual abuse and mistreatment. It is very disheartening to see that laws put in place for the protection of minors are ignored by public servants and put young ones in peril. I humbly request that you, Dear Senator, look into the cases noted here below, and seek to have an accounting of Mr. Chapman's actions regarding the cases formerly under prosecution by Mr. Unthank. Sincerely, Dr. J#### B######## ----------------------------------------------- > To: John Chapman SC > Director of Public Prosecutions > 565 Lonsdale Street > Melbourne > Victoria 3000 > > > Dear Mr. John Chapman SC, =A0Director of Public Prosecutions. > > I have learned of your letter to Mr. Steven Unthank, expressing that > "you will exercise your power under section 22(1)(b)(ii) of the Public > Prosecutions Act 1994 (Vic) to =93take over the prosecutions for the > purpose of discontinuing them.=94 Further you expressed that for these > prosecutions to go forth would be =93not in the public interest.=94 > > It is hard for me to believe you would take such action. As an > educator for over 25 years I'm shocked to hear that a public servant > would dare ignore the human rights of children not to be abused and > mistreated. To say that such action as you propose to undertake would > be acting in "the public interest" sounds pharisaical and jesuitical > to me. It equivocates the truth of the matter, the crimes involved, > and makes light of grievous abuses that have taken place and the > disregard for the actual laws instituted in the true "public interest" > of citizens in Australia. > > Dear Sir, I ask you to reconsider your decision and to side with the > righteous case Mr. Unthank is pursuing against those who would sweep > under the rug the heinous acts committed against defenseless children. > It is an indignation to think otherwise and that you would act as you > stated in your letter, dated 20 of February of 2012 to Mr. Unthank. > > Please, Mr. Chapman, I appeal to you to do the decent and responsible > thing public representatives are expected to do for their constituents > and not to intervene in a manner that hinders justice and denies > lawful protection to Australian children. > > Sincerely, > Dr. J### B######## > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Re: Private Criminal Prosecution by Steven Unthank >> >> Corporate Accused: GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH=92S WITNESSES >> Case No.: B12083527 >> >> Corporate Accused: FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE >> Case No.: B12083367 >> >> Corporate Accused: CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH=92S WITNESSES >> Case No.: B12083108 >> >> Corporate Accused: WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA, = INC. >> Case No.: B12083833 >> >> WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF AUSTRALIA >> Case No.: B12082206 >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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WE NEED TO E-MAIL THE PROSECUTOR RIGHT NOW !!!!
by Phizzy inwe need to e-mail the state prosecutor in steven unthanks case right now , please see 3mozzies thread "the governing body to escape ..........".
stevens letter and the e-mail addy are on there.. .
please do it folks, let the guy know the world is watching.
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Here's the email I sent in to Mr. Chapman.
--Oppostate
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To: John Chapman SC
Director of Public Prosecutions
565 Lonsdale Street
Melbourne
Victoria 3000
Dear Mr. John Chapman SC, Director of Public Prosecutions.
I have learned of your letter to Mr. Steven Unthank, expressing that
"you will exercise your power under section 22(1)(b)(ii) of the Public
Prosecutions Act 1994 (Vic) to “take over the prosecutions for the
purpose of discontinuing them.” Further you expressed that for these
prosecutions to go forth would be “not in the public interest.”
It is hard for me to believe you would take such action. As an
educator for over 25 years I'm shocked to hear that a public servant
would dare ignore the human rights of children not to be abused and
mistreated. To say that such action as you propose to undertake would
be acting in "the public interest" sounds pharisaical and jesuitical
to me. It equivocates the truth of the matter, the crimes involved,
and makes light of grievous abuses that have taken place and the
disregard for the actual laws instituted in the true "public interest"
of citizens in Australia.
Dear Sir, I ask you to reconsider your decision and to side with the
righteous case Mr. Unthank is pursuing against those who would sweep
under the rug the heinous acts committed against defenseless children.
It is an indignation to think otherwise and that you would act as you
stated in your letter, dated 20 of February of 2012 to Mr. Unthank.
Please, Mr. Chapman, I appeal to you to do the decent and responsible
thing that public representatives are expected to do for their constituents
and not to intervene in a manner that hinders justice and denies
lawful protection to Australian children.
Sincerely,
Dr. J### B ########
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> Re: Private Criminal Prosecution by Steven Unthank
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> Corporate Accused: GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
> Case No.: B12083527
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> Corporate Accused: FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE
> Case No.: B12083367
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> Corporate Accused: CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
> Case No.: B12083108
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> Corporate Accused: WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA, INC.
> Case No.: B12083833
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> WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF AUSTRALIA
> Case No.: B12082206
>
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Need Advice About Letter to the IRS to Revoke the WTBTS' Tax Exempt Status
by ABibleStudent inplease review my letter to the irs commissioner to establish a process for revoking the tax exempt status of dangerous cults and write comments about how to improve it.. rough draft of letter.
mr. douglas h. shulman .
commissioner.
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The vast majority of sheeples will see any threat against the WTBTS, which might not succeed but may get some public or governmental attention, as a fulfillment of interpretations that Satan's system will turn against the Organization and that only means to them that the end is even more imminent than it imminently was before.
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Ike apostatized from JW religion and got baptized by the River Brethren
by oppostate infrom e-watchman's website:.
http://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-news/tag/obama .
eishenhower's upbringing associated with the international bible students (later jehovah's witnesses).
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It's interesting to note that the River Brethren, as a Mennonite offshoot, also oppose war.
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Advent 2011
by ixthis inthe virgin now comes to bethlehem to give birth to christ .
who has become an infant in the flesh.. .
christ has voluntarily become poor.. christ has become visible.. let heaven and earth rejoice.
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And a happy Hanukka (and kwanza time too of course)!
Did you know Jesus celebrated Hanukka by going to the temple for this festival of lights? (John 10: 22-23, NIV)
"Then came the Feast of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon's Colonnade."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah
Jesus as a practicing and faithful jew of his time would definitely have participated in this Feast of Dedication, a festival of lights.
http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefeastsandholidays/p/feastofdedicati.htm
Since Jesus is the light of this world, this time can remind us of the anunciation, when Mary through the Holy Spirit came to be with child.
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Johnny the Bethelite gets his own Dial In Show
by ShirleyW insurprised it hasn't been mentioned here that last night on rick's call in, he going to let johnny have his own call in show started in two weeks i believe, well i believe i'm anxiously waiting for that one.. i can just picture outlaw laughing his ass off at the thought of johnny having his own call in show, but let us all wait and see if it's actually going to happen!.
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will Johnnie be hosting the show from some dormitory closet in Brooklyn Bethel?
