Posts by oppostate

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Elders are going to the CO on me

by cognac in

jw
friends

i celebrated halloween and my birthday and the elders have been told.

husband told the elders i've called the religion a cult.

they said i'm "heading down a road to be an apostate.

oppostate

Send the BOE a letter saying you are no longer a member of such and such congregation and are looking for another more Christian and welcoming JW congregation. Although in no way is your decision to withdraw membership from that Congregation in particular to be interpreted as disassociating with the whole association of JW's. Only you wish to stop the maligning and damaging relationship the local BOE has develop with you and want to seek a more peaceful and beneficial congregation for you.

The next day send them another letter saying that if they dare hold any religious based judicial proceedings against you or in retaliation for your decision you will depend on legal counsel to bring them to court as a BOE for their not following their own rules published in WTS publications.

Say that you will not sue the WTS or the traveling representative unless they become actively supportive of the BOE's past harrassment and mistreatment of you as a congregation member.

The BOE will get a black eye from the CO and the Branch because they don't want to be involved and your relationship with the BOE could cost them legal troubles and bad publicity.

They will stop hounding you.

Take your time. Maybe you'll find another JW Congregation to be a member of, maybe not ever, but whatever the case it's your decision to be part of it or not.

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Beard to hall

by Blackfalcon98 in

about to wear a neatly trimmed goat-tee to the hall.......i'll post my experiences here afterward.. .

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oppostate

Even if not said, even if only thought, the inner perception of most JW's would be to raise a flag of concern and distrust that a person known as a "brother" has whiskers without an obvious excuse like a skin problem. Facial hair is a branding of "BA", bad attitude.

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Ok, this pope has some pretty good advice here. Take note of #9

by nonjwspouse in

the popes 10 tips for a happier life.

1. live and let live.

everyone should be guided by this principle, he said, which has a similar expression in rome with the saying, move forward and let others do the same.. 2. be giving of yourself to others.

oppostate

If he was really sincere about these points he'd step off his high-chair and declare the Papacy un-scriptural, a result of paganism infiltrating the early Church. Watching a Catholic-Spring rise up would be cool! An end to pomposity!

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Meeting for not paying assembly fees???!!!!

by Kool Jo in

jw
friends

hey folks......has anyone else heard of, or experienced this before?.

i visited by parents over the weekend and accompanied them to their assembly....same rubbish spoken about since ive been born....obey the gb, donate your last penny, no education and be a pushover.. anyways, our assembly hall has lush vegetation and scenery, so i was more focused on that....i started dozing off after lunch, so got up and went walking, saw some older folks from the congregation i grew up with.. upon the conclusion of the assembly, wed normally leave out right after the prayer ends so as to avoid the traffic.

however, for this assembly he told me that hes gonna be a few minutes with the elders and branch representatives...so a few minutes turned into an hour..

oppostate

If it's just one congregation they could do away with the whole body and replace them with more loyal hounding-hounders, even sending some stern company man who'll whip everyone into paying their dues.

Getting rid of a whole elder body has been done before if there's a pattern of non-compliance with Momma WT's rules. If one of the former elders is kept, this shows clearly that loyalty (a$$-ki$$ing) the Borganization is clearly what they want in appointed men.

It will definitely send a message to other near-by congregations not to step out of line.

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Please,I need non-"apostate" info./sites for my exit case on following topics

by Kensho in

i'm preparing for my exit after 4 years of de-programming myself from the cult (much help from here..thank you) been fading for as long as i can to keep decades of family and friends, but the moment the "real truth" is arriving soon.. i desire to make an intelligent defense for my actions and of course will never get to first base using any resource material that will shut down the process by my blind brothers and family members.. i have collected some resources on my own, but would appreciate help in the following.. 1) child abuse.

2) ngo un docs.

3) follow the money any public records of what the borg spends or invest our money on.

oppostate

Whatever reasons you can muster, even free of apostate contact, won't really matter once the announcement "So-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses" gets pronounced at the KH.

If you can slip into the category of "inactive with issues", you'll find that you'll be left alone, and unless you do something so in-your-face to the congregation like openly start dating someone, or cohabiting with them, or maybe start celebrating holidays and decorating your house... they'll pretty much consider you out of sight our of mind.

If on the other hand you want to leave and do it with "drama" enough to wake someone else up and you won't be miffed by the term "apostate" then you could go for it, because no matter where your sources come from, if they are negative of the WTS, they will be considered apostate invormation. In which case you could go big, make a big stink just for the emotional release of pent up frustration from Borganization's pressure and control.

Whatever you do, may you find the closure and peace you desire.

With best wishes.

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Throw Out Your Blood Cards!

by Coded Logic in

ex-jehovah's witness bled to death after surgery .

in 2006, riddell signed a declaration that she did not want to be given blood during any medical procedure because of her jehovah's witness beliefs, even if healthcare providers believed that it was necessary to preserve her life.. she later stopped practising the religion but her brother told hill she maintained the declaration because she had researched the use of blood transfusions and made an informed decision not to receive any blood.. riddell opted for the surgery after being diagnosed with symptomatic gallstones, hill said.. parry met with riddell before the surgery but did not discuss receiving blood with her as he told hill the chances of someone bleeding during the surgery were less than one per cent.. that meant the surgery began at wairau hospital at 9am without parry knowing about the declaration, although his anaesthetist did.. it was originally supposed to be a keyhole only surgery, but parry made the decision to go to an open surgery as he could not access the gall bladder through the keyhole technique.. during the surgery there was a small amount of bleeding, which parry was unconcerned about.. the surgery finished at 11.15am and parry went away to perform another surgery.

during that time, riddell's blood pressure dropped and fluids increased.. the anaesthetist visited parry during his surgery and told him "we have a problem, she's bleeding.

oppostate

That Doctor sounds like an incompetent jerk.

His first concern should be to perform a safe surgery and if she was bleeding after he sutured so much that her blood pressure went down he didn't do his job.

If this story is accurate then the doctor deserves to be sued and if he's done this sort of thing before he should loose his credentials.

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Meeting With A Very Small Group Of Bible Students Tonight

by lambsbottom in

jw
friends

just wanted to chat with them and see how they think.

anything i should know before besides the basics?.

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oppostate

Not all Bible Students are created equal :-)))

I've found the Dawnists to be pretty much like loyal die hard JWs stuck in what their literature says they should believe.

I've also found the Boerean Bible Students, New Covenant Bible Students and the Christian Believers Bible Students to be very open and allowing some freedom to be lead by one's conscience and understanding of the Scriptures.

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Definition

by Gratefullyunstuck in

jw
friends

maybe i'm reading too much into this, but ever looked in a dictionary for the definition of watchtower ?.

watchtower (wchtour)n.an observation tower on which a guard or lookout is stationed to keep watch, as for enemies, for forest fires, or over prisoners.. .

slightly interesting, observation = gb, enemies= worldly folk and prisoners =rank/file.

oppostate

In Latin the definition of "specula" is as a verb, meaning "speculating, to speculate on something" and as a noun meaning either a watchtower, or the tool OBGYN Doctors insert into a woman's vagina to see inside.

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Did not Attend Mid-Week Meeting but Felt Good - Strange Feeling?

by ProfCNJ in

jw
friends

hi folks.

the usual feeling for me - when i missed mid-week meetings - is to feel guilty, sad or depressed.

it normally involved negative feelings.

oppostate

I agree, missing a meeting leaves me with a much quiter and peaceful feeling.

Having to attend once in a while to keep relatives off your back is definitely a chore.

Having to listen to mind numbing talks and experiences that make you want to scream "B*llsh*t!" is troublesome.

And having to hold back puking at some of the comments from brain washed publishers is difficult.

So much nicer to avoid the black void of KH meetings.

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Jehovah told to Moses: "....kill every woman who has had sexual relations with a man"

by opusdei1972 in

in numbers 31 we read the following:.

jehovah then told moses:2 take vengeance for the israelites on the midianites.

afterward you will be gathered to your people.3 so moses spoke to the people, saying: equip men from among you for battle against midian and to execute jehovahs vengeance on midian.4 you should send 1,000 of each tribe of all the tribes of israel into the army............ 7 they waged war against midian, just as jehovah had commanded moses, and they killed every male.8 along with the others slain, they killed the kings of midian, namely, evi, rekem, zur, hur, and reba, the five kings of midian.

oppostate

If you carefully read the verses discussed, you can see that God only instructed Moses to take vengeance against the Midianites for the wrong they did to Israel.

Since the Midianites were also Hebrews like the Israelites the battle laws against the Canaanites didn't apply.

Moses wife's family were Kenites that is from Midian.

It is Moses who gets all bent out of shape about the women and children being left alive and then orders to kill them.

It was not a command of God that the children and mothers should be slaughtered.

God did allow this to happen, but Moses was not allowed into the promised land especially for taking matters into his own hands.

Jesus, when discussing about the resurrection, said that Moses is the one that allowed for polygamy and divorce etc. although this was not the arrangement of God from the beginning.