you can now listen to ron frye's _my_christian_quest_ unabridged audiobook, read by onlyinchrist and available on youtube:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljemw5gtlww.
http://christianrespondent.com/.
You can now listen to Ron Frye's _My_Christian_Quest_ unabridged audiobook, read by OnlyInChrist and available on YouTube:
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Previous discussion on Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum:
james penton is he still alive?
my wife left me his book but i've not found anything else on him.
does he post somewhere?.
I very much enjoyed meeting Jim and Marylin at the Christian Believers' Conference in Wenham,MA at Gordon College. These conferences are very upbuilding in my opinion and JW's and exJW's are very welcome there.
It's been a tough few years and many dear friends have passed away, Ray's generation, I guess.
Marylin, Jim's wife just passed last year as Vanderhoven7 said. Rose from ChannelC discussions also passed away and I've lost contact with many good and dear brothers and sisters who used to chat at ChannelC forum.
The last Christian Believers' Conference where I met with Jim and Gord, we talked about starting up a Commentary Press like entity which would keep Ray's books and other materials in print to help JW's break the chains to the WT. We talked about calling it Quest Press, reminiscent of Ron Frye's My Christian Quest.
I'd like to attend the CB Conference once again, it would be great to meet with folks who are interested in a WT/Bible Students reform movement.
the dawn bible students association has a problem.
ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.
he engages in flirtatious speech.
There are brothers in the Watchtower and among the Bible Students who would hope to keep the best of both- Soldering them together.
Okay, Frank.
I count myself in the group who would like a reformation of the WT/Bible Students movement in the manner of what happened with Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God. Those folks threw out all the crazy speculations and aberrations of Christian doctrine and are still around.
If the WT is to remain "around," I'd like to see a big change towards a more Christian doctrine and practice.
So let's start a discussion of what you've discussed with Bethelites, other JW pub's and Bible Students. I'll share some of my experiences. I'd rather have the discussion in this thread, with input from those who are interested in this part of the OP and not so much on the personal behavior of the hierarchy of both religions.
Or, if you'd like we can continue this discussion through a PM (just click on your username on top for PMs).
filed:.
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I'm very glad for Candace! I also hope she can have a happy and fruitful life.
What are the results in the case? Anyone here care to give us the rundown on the particulars of how much this case will set the WT back?
the dawn bible students association has a problem.
ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.
he engages in flirtatious speech.
the dawn bible students association has a problem.
ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.
he engages in flirtatious speech.
The Dawn ( http://www.dawnbible.com/ ) Bible Students Association is as cultish as the WT. In my experience.
The Bible Students have quite a few different offshoots depending on when they separated from the WT.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/62324/daughters-tower?page=1
In my estimation from having attended a few of their conventions is that the Berean Bible Students and those of the New Covenant Bible Student offshoot seem the most un-cultish.
You can tell the difference plainly between two congregations in Chigago,
the Russell following Chicago Bible Students http://chicagobible.org/
and the non-Russell following Berean Bible Students http://www.bbschurch.org/
if you could use a good laugh please have a look at page 7 of the july 2015 awake.
my wife leaves the latest issues on my pillow when she gets back from her meetings.
i often scan through them looking for nonsense.
This person on the canoe is being very unsafe.
Instead of a power-red-tie he should be wearing a life-vest or some sort of flotation device (maybe even featuring a JWorg logo on it).
the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.
he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.
not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.
Simon, just tell us how you really feel.
i decided to go to the bethel recruiting meeting yesterday to test out my theory that the organization is in decline.
i assumed that if there is a general feeling of apathy by many in the org, then certainly it would be shown up by the lack of enthusiasm or zeal by many to sign up for bethel service.
well let me say that based on what i observed, this organization is not going anywhere.
If Scientology can survive, how will the WTS not do so?
The appeal to disaffected folks in society will be the same if not stronger in the future, I think. The WT religion has had 100+ years of refining their recruiting techniques and their controlling practices.
But they know they need to change with the times. So far they've been quite adept at changing doctrine to fit their needs.
The JW,org flashy enticement is a way to reach out to the next generation, the tech savvy, smart-phone-in-hand crowd.
The older generation is passing away (and so is it's desires of living forever in a paradise earth without having to die). The WT is moving on and leaving these folks behind.
My feeling is it will definitely be (and already shows signs to be) a different WT religion--more techy, more flashy, less demanding of Bible knowledge and more loyal to the hierarchy.
dear brothers:.
re: personal literature supply.
reducing existing stock at the branch office before the revisions are released.
What they seem to object to is current publishers having in their personal libraries the books that may remind them how WT doctrine is as fleeting as a fart that after all the noisy hoopla that accompanies it, it makes a big stink and blows this way and that and nobody wants it. Except you force others to put up with the stench. That's how old WT literature is.
Since...
It's obviously ok for publishers to place old publications, even those including outdated doctrines, with the public. Countless times the KM's would run a monthly campaign to place "old 192 page books" still in stock in the literature counters, even 1960's books that delved into Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelations we would be encouraged to place in service although much of this information was seen as "old light" and no longer part of official doctrine.
