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  What Jehovah can't do...

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the rc today i heard this(i am paraphrasing and translating):.

  "jehovah has created the physical universe for us.

  he is a spirit and he can't enjoy physical things so he created it for us alone.

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  oppostate

  "Jehovah has created the physical universe for us. He is a spirit and he can't enjoy physical things so he created it for us alone. He can't get any pleasure from physical things."

  That guy is actually quite ignorant and presumptuous.

  What about the angels who left their abode in Heaven to materialize and enjoy the charms of the "ladies."

  If they didn't enjoy pleasure from physical things they wouldn't have craved such "companionship."

  God and the Angels are spirits, so it's very obvious that the speaker was either following yet more WT bright ideas they pull out of their collective ar$e, or too presumptuous and totally ignorant about what the Bible says.
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  Should I hit send button as is? Change? Or just hit delete?

  by Lied2NoMore in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so after being deleted because of my comment on her instagram post by my sister-in-law i got a text from her stating she didn't want a debate on instagram and the scripture i posted would not apply to satan, they are worried about me, go see elders, return to jehovah, or else you won't get life, etc etc.... i'm ready to respond with the following reply:.

  so....hit send?

  make changes?

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  oppostate

  You've made some excellent points like:

  Truth will always stand up to scrutiny if it indeed is truth. Lies can only stand if the truth isn't allowed to be revealed.

  Which are quite true and should hit hard if she thinks about it.

  Towards the end of your note the quip jabbing her about God's name not being Jehovah is... uhhh... not entirely accurate.

  Jehovah is as good as a name for God in English, as Jesus (DJEE-zuhz) is for Christ. Yahweh may be as good as Yeshua in pronouncing those names.

  If you're going to say Yahweh, you might as well say Yeshua, or Yirmiyahu (for Jeremiah) or Yeshayahu (for Issaiah), and this would probably peg you as a Sacred Names Movement follower not a Jehovah's Witness.

  If in Spanish you spell out Jesus like in English, but pronounce it "HEY-soos" it goes to show you how silly it sounds to insist on DJEE-zuhz but then say Yahweh. They are merely two different traditions, the one is an English names' tradition, the other is a modern scholarly tradition.

  This may be news to all who disagree with this and insist on Yahweh. But...

  In Hebrew it would never be pronounced like YA (as in yacht) with the second syllable WAY. In Biblical Hebrew the H was always pronounced, and that's why it was written. So if you don't aspirate the H's then you're not even close to how it may have been pronounced back then.

  Josephus makes the point that it is pronounced as it is written. So look at how Judah (with Hebrew letters corresponding to YHWDH) and pronounced YEH-HOO-DAH, compares to Jehovah (YHWH) the D is the only difference. So if it was read as written just take out the D in YEH-HOO-DAH and you're left with YEH-HOO-AH.

  Since Jehovah comes from Latin IEHOVAH, and IEHOVAH is a translitteration (alphabetic substitution) for YEH-HOO-AH then there's nothing wrong with using Jehovah and anyone who tells you different is just not well informed about the entire history and pronunciation of the Divine Name.

  All right, now that I got that out of the way, I'd say redact the last paragraph and hit send if you want to hit hard, and probably distance her from you. But if not, then release a big sigh and hit delete instead.

  
  

  
  
  
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  How do you feel about exJW's who resist our efforts to effect change?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've met a few.

  i'm not talking about the jw who, whether df'd or not, falls off the radar and just gets on with living a normal life - good luck to them and may there be many more!.

  i mean the former jehovah's witness who is now enjoying all the benefits of a cult free life thanks to the efforts of many bloggers, posters and activists, but is critical of the efforts of someone close them to free more jws.

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  Nicolau, get over it. We are all different and there's a lot to be said for being one's own person.

  Don't whine about those who would rather leave current publishers alone. Maybe they're at one extreme.

  The other extreme may be folks like Rick Fearon, who is all On-your-face-Watchtower-! and maybe that works for him, and maybe that doesn't work for everybody.

  I was done a long time ago with "why doesn't so-and-so do this-or-that" and I suggest you simply learn to get over it. It isn't something that needs to affect your life.
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  Watchtower's Works

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they take our trust our love our youth our family our friends our life our hopes our happiness our children our parents our vitality our minds our hearts.

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  then they kill us.

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  Freedom of mind and integrity!

  Which are quite appropriate for the 4th of July.

  The challenge for those of us who are awake is to deny the Watchtower as many victims as we can! They are our family and our friends who are under their clutch. Let's help de-claw the filthy beast in whatever way we can.
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  The "generation", how long, oh Jeehoober???

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how long till the wtbts gets wise and reverts to boozerford's more plausible explanation of "generation"??

  let's "face the facts" ( lol!!!

  ) and admit that this is the best explanation that the wtbts ever had.

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  Jinx Timelord you owe me a beer.
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  The "generation", how long, oh Jeehoober???

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how long till the wtbts gets wise and reverts to boozerford's more plausible explanation of "generation"??

  let's "face the facts" ( lol!!!

  ) and admit that this is the best explanation that the wtbts ever had.

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  oppostate

  The next generational big date to watch is 2034.

  By then the JW Organization might be 12 million and the over-lapping generation idea, although much loved, isn't going to hold water.

  Sometime within the two decades remaining until 2034 that's when there'll be a change in the generation description. There could be an expansion to yet another overlap.

  If the change in 1995 can be a guide then they'll lose some members. But all this would do is thin down the ranks a little by removing those who are the more critically minded JW's. The thinning down will result in ultra-loyal Governing Body followers who will be ripe for a push as 2034 nears.

  So as the time is short for the 2034 date there may be another 1975 rerun. The new rallying cry will motivate publishers to do more for 2034.

  Of course this date will arrive, many of us will be history by then, and then there'll be another thinning as there was among those who stayed alive until 1975. Except--and this may be crucial--in 1975 there wasn't an internet available.

  The internet is already squeezing the Watchtower's monetary gonads by turning away new members before they take the plunge. This could make them fizz out into a shadow of what they used to be but fanatically fundamentalist, or make them more relaxed, more tech savvy and shed off the big cultish beliefs, like no-blood and DF'ing.

  Whatever the case, I agree with DD that they'll be forced to amend the overlapping-Gen idea that they so much love right now. It could very well be seen as the anointed's-Gen that DD points out because there isn't a big jump from having one overlap, then two, three and eventually a continual overlap.
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  Gwinnett Daily Post: See article and reader comment to Watchtower Convention PR piece about JW happy families

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/news/2015/jul/02/jehovah8217s-witnesses-convention-to-feature/ .

  the 2015 imitate jesus!

  convention of jehovahs witnesses will be held july 3-5 at the arena at gwinnett center located at 6400 sugarloaf parkway in duluth.

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  oppostate

  Excellent use back at them of their own cultish words in the video of the convention. Good comment!
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  You too, invent your "new light"

  by coalize in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i had this idea of topic when john aquila made me laugh in one of his post when he said : new light!the governing body has the right to have sex with all the new virgins that get baptized before they get married.. and then i've decided to open this topic to ask this (stupid but funny) question : if you was in the gb, what's the "new light you will want to fight for?

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  New ligh!

  Not only will obese people not be used for demonstrations, experiences, talks and parts on an assembly program. They will be made to sit in the KH side room. They will be assigned to meet in this separate annex away from public viewing so as to not "bring reproach" upon the Organization with their less than perfect physiques.

  No publisher may show more body fat than the heaviest member of the current Governing Body.

  And just like with tobacco they will be given six months to show progressive reduction in body fat.

  Otherwise they will be marked. Continued brazen increase in body weight, without repentance, could result in disfellowshipping for gluttony.

  
  
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  A Watchtower quote about apostates I never knew about

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i knew the watchtower didn't like me, but i didn't know they wanted to physically kill me (if they were allowed)from the 15 november 1952 watchtower magazine under questions from readers:.

  in the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?.

  we are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from god and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of israel in the wilderness of sinai and in the land of palestine... (and a bit later)..being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of god through jesus christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws.. so let me get this straight: if our secular pesky laws were not an obstacle and jesus was not in the way we'd be hunted and exterminated?.

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  In today's world Daesh (ISIL/ISIS) is a theocratic, warmongering terror-regime that aspires to worldwide expansion under a Muslim Caliphate.

  In today's world the JW Organization is a theocratic, fear-mongering, cult that aspires to to worldwide religious dominance under a New World Order.

  Allowed enough controlling power both of them would bring a Dark Ages new system of worldwide repression, persecution, and mass extermination of dissenters.
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  You too, invent your "new light"

  by coalize in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i had this idea of topic when john aquila made me laugh in one of his post when he said : new light!the governing body has the right to have sex with all the new virgins that get baptized before they get married.. and then i've decided to open this topic to ask this (stupid but funny) question : if you was in the gb, what's the "new light you will want to fight for?

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  oppostate

  New light.

  Every time the words Governing Body are mentioned in a meeting all the publishers are to bow their heads and say Holy Governing Body.
  

  As to what i might say... probably "Holy crap!" instead.