Posts by oppostate

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Disfellowshipped at 18

by asensier in

you can probably guess how this story goes.. i began dating a non-witness boy.

he knew i was a baptised witness and understood the consequences i faced for dating him.

we agreed to keep our relationship secret, which was easy considering our 200 mile distance.

oppostate

@asensier:

I've been putting up a brave front for months but with the announcement tomorrow casting shadows over me tonight, I feel a bit overwhelmed with loss.

That day will come and that day will pass. Keep busy doing something you enjoy, hang-out with those who support you. Disfellowshipping is a violent act and has nothing to do with 'love'. It's like a beating with a bull-whip, it can leave emotional scars in one's psyche instead of physical ones.

The best revenge is to live well. I wish you both a long long time of happiness together, and when you've grown old and satisfied with a great family, children and grand-children, you'll look back and be glad you got out of this mind controlling religion that wants to sap the best years out of people's lives and keep them slaving to provide for their cushy life atop a pyramid scheme of a religion.

And not all religions are life swallowing cults. It just so happens that you were in one of the most controlling and nefarious ones. Be glad you've escaped their trap and now you can live the best life you can have, in freedom, in peace, in the company of those you love.

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Donation to WWW raised last night.

by freemindfade in

so there was announcements last night that the set amount of donation was going to be raised.

i don't believe out hall has a mortgage or "forgiven" mortgage.

but the hall already donates a set amount above what is put in the www box, from the local fund.

oppostate

So there you have it, the money drive ratchets up....

So that's the "final push" we've been hearing about, eh?

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Why Is This New Batch of Governing Body Members So Stupid?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

well there are lots of reason for sure, denial, delusion, wishful thinking, ego maniac, infantile understanding of ancient writings, satanophobia, xenophobia, out of touch with reality, limited choices scrapping the bottom of the barrel,and many more.. listen to this ted talk and see if you can pick out something that helps explain why these guys are such ass holes:.

organizations are often run according to the superchicken model, where the value is placed on star employees who outperform others.

and yet, this isnt what drives the most high-achieving teams.

oppostate

Excellent TED talk. Thanks for sharing it.

The WT leadership has proven themselves to be a bunch of puffed up super-chickens, roosters or cocks, whatetever, bent on self-agrandizement at the expense of others, pecking the living $h!t, (youth, livelyhood and dreams) out of those they consider beneath them.

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The Man In The Mirror and the Terminal Patient

by stuckinamovement in

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friends

a man looks into the mirror and considers the image that is reflected.

he sees a model of physical fitness, good looks, competence and popularity.

he smiles at the positive image that he perceives.

oppostate

@stuckinamovement

Your prose reads like a poem. I appreciate your illustration and the conclusion you make.

But just from the title, before reading the OP, I thought it had something to do with Michael Jackson.

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Splane and Morris Should Thank Raymond Franz, Their Organizational Father

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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the whole elder body teaching and governing body teaching was based on research by a well known "apostate" raymond franz.

franz wrote the aid book articles which gave rise to the changes made in the congregations and bethel.

knorr was deposed by the johnny come lately new governing body members who in turn gave birth to those in charge today.

oppostate

Ray F''s views on religious leadership differ greatly from the way the GB 2.0 manage things today.

His understanding of "older-men" taking the lead in the congregation was one of service, he even admits that Phoebe had a "ministry" a "service" to the congregation as a "diakonos" (note the male gender of the original Greek) even though she was a "woman," so he had no conflict with a more active role of women in the Christian congregations as servants for the sake of fellow believers.

Knorr was a good businessman and organizational manager, but he showed little care for the R&F whom he treated as peons. He would have known that Ray F. was a good researcher and a sharp, eloquent writer and this would benefit the Watchtower. Intellectually this made Ray F. rank way above most fellow GB members and give the predilect WT's oracle, his uncle Freddy a run for his money--Freddy F. was, by the way, the only one with some university training behind him, from what I've gathered.

The GB 1.0 feared what Ray F. could do if he turned against them out of conscience. Once Ray F. looked behind the curtain and saw the impotent leadership for the uncaring, manipulating busters they really were, the Gobbering Body sh@t themselves and reacted in a more and more controlling manner through witch-hunts at Bethel Headquarters and flaming lash-outs published in their magazines.

Notice how quickly they moved to get rid of Ray Franz and Ed Dulop, but hung on to Chitty and Greenlees, moving them out to the fringes where their "deviant" behaviors wouldn't be so obvious.

The current GB has little appreciation for Ray F. and those who were forced out over three decades ago, they've not learned any lessons, nor do they seem to care to--out of sight out of mind. Otherwise we would see a genuine move to benefit the well-being of the JW believers instead of worldwide counsel against spandex, colorful socks and tight fitting trousers.

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Why Is This New Batch of Governing Body Members So Stupid?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

well there are lots of reason for sure, denial, delusion, wishful thinking, ego maniac, infantile understanding of ancient writings, satanophobia, xenophobia, out of touch with reality, limited choices scrapping the bottom of the barrel,and many more.. listen to this ted talk and see if you can pick out something that helps explain why these guys are such ass holes:.

organizations are often run according to the superchicken model, where the value is placed on star employees who outperform others.

and yet, this isnt what drives the most high-achieving teams.

oppostate

Old timers like Barr, Barber (pre-senility anyway), Sydlik, Barry, etc. at least were dignified and gave the appearance of competence.

They (GB 1.0) were wise enough and discrete enough to keep their mouths shut in public for the most part. This GB 2.0 seems to love the lime light. They don't know when to shut up! And that's good for waking people up.

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Greece-China-United States-Financial collapse. But Jehovah protects the Watchtower.

by John Aquila in

the financial collapse that might happen in greece---could it happen in the u.s. .

if so, how would it affect the watchtower?

or is the wt impervious to everything?

oppostate

The Financial collapse that might happen in Greece---Could it happen in the U.S.

It almost was. We can thank the Obama administration for coming up with a ballsy plan that worked to keep us out of that mess brought on by 8 long years of Bush-Cheney fiscal ineptitude.

The main meal of the WT is publisher donations, without these there wouldn't be any fancy printery buildings or luxurious offices and pricey living quarters, etc. The donations are the life-blood of the WT. If these dry up the WT religious empire is not sustainable.

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Like Shooting Fish In a Barrel...

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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the jw broadcasting barrel that is.

easy to do.

too easy.

oppostate

Isn't that just another barrel?

Barrels make for good wines and bourbon. Barrels are not pleasant to be raked over.

Science is a barrel of acquired empirical knowledge, dip your ladle all you want and it's always getting refilled with more and better knowledge and understanding of the physical universe we live in.

Jesus contributions to human understanding often dealt with thoughts beyond the physical world. Physical senses cannot convey understanding of spiritual things. Spirit, faith, hope these are intangible, when Jesus' teachings dealt with physical reality, he urged peace, justice, love, and empathy. A barrel of wisdom for any age.

But the WT is a barrel that leaks, seeps, stagnant watery refuse and gets filled with a constant supply by their filthy lucre-loving Gobbering Body.

I long for the day the WT hierarchy find themselves raked over the proverbial barrel, and what a day of just reckoning that will be.

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Comparing JWs to Jews

by CalebInFloroda in

some have asked how my views and convictions have changed over the past 15 years or so after leaving the watchtower behind to return to my familys roots and embrace judaism.

the best way to explain things is to allow both the religion of the watchtower and my life as a jew today to stand side-by-side for comparison.

while i cant guarantee this will help prove to others that the jehovahs witnesses are truly a crazy religious group, i am sure it will prove to most that jews probably are, and are quite aware of it.

oppostate

CalebInFloroda:
Jehovah’s Witnesses are truly a crazy religious group, I am sure it will prove to most that Jews probably are, and are quite aware of it.

Talking about crazy religions and rituals, what's an ultra-Orthodox Jewish fellow to do when he finds he's got 2,000 dead chickens due to heat exhaustion and can't be used ritually? Uhh, maybe sell them to a goy for deep frying and chicken soup!?!

"Thousands of chickens designated for the pre-Yom Kippur kapparot ritual died in New York due to unseasonable heat. An estimated 2,000 chickens died in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Borough Park on Wednesday, when temperatures climbed into the mid-90s, the New York Daily News reported."

September 13, 2013)

Photo of an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man participating in a kapparot ritual, in which a chicken is swung over one's head in the belief that one transfers the sins from the past year into the chicken.

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Anthony Morris III: "...we cannot control everything that an individual might say..."

by cappytan in

i noticed that anthony morris iii just said on the broadcast: "while we cannot control everything that an individual might say, it is clear that over the decades protecting children from abuse is a top priority for this organization.".

that, in my opinion, is a direct response to the richard ashe "spiritual protection not physical protection" deposition.. here's a video putting the two statements side by side.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgevpuyn7gy.

oppostate

"Baby Pros and Kiddie Porn", really? That sounds obscene and sick.

It does, and maybe Leo Greenlees wrote it. It would seem he was somewhat of an expert in such things.