Well, I don't know what the official stand is on Oral Sex within the Watchtower, but I can tell you from personal experience that when my now-estranged wife "got back in" to the WBTS, all oral sex immediately stopped. She swore up and down that it had nothing to do with her getting back in, but after reading your posts I see (as with a lot of stuff she has told me) she was lying.
Scottiebear7
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Can you "fornicate" with your marriage mate? I've heard the WTBTS says that you can. Is this true?
by ultrabimbo inis it true that the current thinking of jehovah's witnesses is that you can "fornicate" with your marriage mate if you engage in sexual activity that is not approved by the writing department at bethel?
what are some examples?.
ultrabimbo.
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Feeling really sad
by NiceDream inmy husband and i have been married for almost 10 years.
we were married really young, and tried to make the best of it.
recently, i began listening to my lingering doubts and realized i've been so unhappy because i was living a lie.
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Scottiebear7
NiceDream... I feel for you as well. My Witness wife and I are going through the divorce process right now (I'm not a witness) and its not easy. If you would like your marriage to work, I would suggest like other posters have said... you two need to get away and spend some time with each other. Don't expect the communication to start right away, but if you two are away together for 3-4 days, a week maybe?, I think you'll find each other talking to one another. You may reconnect with one another, you may not... that is only something the two of you will find out. If you two love each other, then communication is the key. So often in my own marriage I found my wife "shut-off" when it came to talking, and I do believe it had a lot to do with the whole mind control aspect of being a witness. That made it almost impossible to have a heart-to-heart conversation, like we used to have early on in our marriage.
Again, take some time for yourselves, and try to communicate. I truly wish you the best.
Scottiebear
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My story and help needed.
by frigginconfused ini have been posting here and there for a few weeks but never introduced myself.
i will do that now because i really am in bad shape and in need of someone to listen.. i was raised in new york in the projects during the crack boom in the 80's.
my dad was an abusive drunk non believer and my mom dragged us to meetings.
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Scottiebear7
Here's my two cents, for what it's worth:
Frigginconfused, you are too focused on believing that a group is where you will find your spiritual calling. I agree with you, most organized religions start off ok, but then downgrade as the influence of man takes hold. Instead, I would recommend finding God within yourself, because He does dwell within all of us.
Do some scientific research... there is no more earthquakes, volcano eruptions, wars, etc. than there was 50 years ago, 100 years ago, heck, even thousands of years ago. Religions always play on this "fear" of the world coming to an end through God's wrath. Especially "End Times" religions such as the WTBTS. It's all baloney.
Take a look at nature around you, and the grand design that God has created. While I don't believe in organized religion, I do believe in a higher power being able to masterfully architect the things we see all around us in the world. We actually live in a really cool place we call earth, and people just need to open their eyes to see the beauty all around us.
So, yeah, take a step back man, and chill a bit. Get professional help if you think that's what you need. But also take into account the beauty of the world around you, because its there, staring us in the face every day.
~Scottiebear
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WT cautions against playing pac-man 1982 Awake
by EndofMysteries inwith bizarre names like pac-man, asteroids, space invaders, battlezone and donkey kong, video games have landed themselves not only in amusement arcades but also in corner drugstores, supermarkets, gas stations, fast-food parlors and nearly everywhere else that people congregate.
their beeps and booms and colorful lights have captured the fancy and imagination of a new generation of players to the point of obsession.. other than the obvious appeal to teenagers and its commercial success, the proliferation of arcade video games has triggered reactions ranging from strong parental protests to outright government bans.
in the philippines, president marcos officially banned the games and gave owners two weeks to destroy them.
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Scottiebear7
Geez, I play World of Warcraft... I guess this explains why I liked more than just the "missionary" position when making love. Man, I must be doomed to a fiery hell.... oh wait, there is no hell, only "the grave".
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Since JWs won't go to apostate boards, but they will read the newspaper...
by JimmyPage in... i've written a letter to a local paper.
i hope it will be printed.
it says nothing about jws, but it should get the light bulbs to go off in their heads.
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Scottiebear7
Jimmy,
I must say... Kudos to you man! I was thinking of doing something similar in my area, and now you have just given me added motivation. I love the BITE model of cult behavior, because it spells it out in pretty simple language.
One thing I also thought of doing was dropping off a similar "literature" to the local laundromats, since that is where a handful of Watchtower and Awakes are normally "placed". Maybe the rank and file won't read the stuff there, but at least the potential borg candidates might have a second thought before joining up with such an organization. If I do that, it would be specifically geared towards the WTBT$.
Thank you for the inspiration.... its no wonder Led Zeppelin is my favorite band ever!
Scottiebear
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Eternal Life: One String of Eternal Family Reunions...Picnics???
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Scottiebear7
I have a friend I work with, he cracks me up like you wouldn't believe. His answer to any JW's that knock on his door is, "Will I get to pet the Tiger, like what you show in your literature? I really want to pet the tiger". LOL, the faithful and discreet slaves usually leave him alone after that.
Also, it should be noted, as has been done on many, many websites.... in the "new paradise on earth", it says that we will not require food to sustain us. So, why in hell are they gathering apples and such? Probably because they are BORED!
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Just one more from the June 15th WT on family night and the "Happy God"
by life is to short inok just one more about the june 15th wt and then i am done.
i have finished listing to it and am throwing it out but it helps to know the garbage my husband could be bring home also it helps to know so i can throw out stupid points to him.
it has really made him think over things.. ok first in par 11 it tells us "godly parents are responsible for instructing their children about jehovah and his ways.
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Scottiebear7
From a worldly, beer drinking, bad influence perspective, here is what I see:
The WTS stopped the Bible Study night at the KH, and incorporated it into the Theocratic Ministry night, only because of loss of profits from losses in the markets. Think about it, it happened right at the same time as the wall street crash. It was just a ploy to save money. My wife embraced this "sweeping change" like it was a major event in her life... I just about puked.
Now, they are telling the parents... HEY! YOU NEED TO PICK UP THE SLACK! LOL. Follow that up with what Aussie said, because he's damn right! The WTS just wants to be sure parents are vigilent in making sure their kids are indoctrinated and brainwashed from a ripe early age.
By the way, I wonder if our "Happy God" had a big Sh!t-eating grin on his face when he had Joshua go in and kill every man, woman, and CHILD so that HIS people could reclaim the promised land. He probably did sit back and eat his Happy Meal, and sucked down on Mountain Dew's new flavor "Spiritual Fuel" and just enjoyed the show. I wonder if this slaughter is one of the "spiritual gems from the bible" that the WTS is talking about?
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What's your Favorite TV show of all time?
by serenitynow! inif you can't tell from my username, i am a seinfeld fan.
seinfeld is the best show ever!
law and order is second.. jada.
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Scottiebear7
Criminal Minds!!!
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Sex Issues
by XPeterX inmy sis has been studying for the past 4 months with a female jw and the same jw started whinning that she couldn't have sex with her hubby coz he's on medication,another female pioneer would tell her that she wanted to get laid but her other half is not horny or wouldn't satisfy her.isn't it wrong to talk about such things with a person who's just started associating with jws?.
p.s when my sister told me that,anger was what i felt.
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Scottiebear7
When my wife got back into the JW's, she went from a sexual dynamo.... to a complete dud in bed, pretty much overnight. It actually made me sick to my stomach that the WTBT$ was there in bed with me at my most initmate time with my wife. UGH!!!
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If someone is benefitting from being in a cult, should we leave them there?
by Confuzzled inif scientology has narcanon, and it has gotten people off drugs (although that 85% sucess rate they say they have is suspect), and becoming a jw sorta forces you into line, would it make sense to leave someone in if they were helping them?
if you knew somebody was a drunk, sex addict, drug addict, what have you, and they were studying, and it appeared that they were actually being helped (albeit by twisted means) would you leave them be?
like, if uncle jim was a fall down drunk that ran around on his wife, then someone introduced him to the wts, and it all stopped, would you still try and expose the cult even if they were actually helping and it was working?.
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Scottiebear7
In my opinion, you are just trading one addiction for another. Just like alcoholism, drug addiction, etc., these cults destroy families, turn away friends, make you spend all your money on them, and make you a mindless zombie. So, no, I don't see becoming a "religaholic" any better than any other addiction.
Of course, I'm biased, the WTBT$ destroyed my family, and yes, I am very bitter.