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Candace Conti v Watchtower Society | June 3, 2013 | Respondent's Brief - prepared by Rick Simons | A136641

by jwleaks in

jw leaks has published the respondent's brief prepared by rick simons in the case: candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

(90 pages).

http://jwleaks.org/candace-conti/.

nugget

They also argue that the parents rather than the organisation were responsible for Candace's well being and yet they did not notify the parents of the threat posed by Kendrick. They argue that the parents had access to the magazines and should have been able to perceive from this material what a paedophile would be like. They had access to the same magazines but did not take the threat posed by Kendrick seriously even with their insider knowledge.

They also complain about witness testimony that occurred whilst they were questioning a witness yet they never objected to the point made at the time nor sought to correct it at the trial.

I hope they get a lesson they deserve that justice cannot be bullied.

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Atheist Blogger Visits Kingdom Hall

by Bangalore in

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atheist blogger visits kingdom hall.. .

http://doubtingmark.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/jehovahs-witness-kingdom-hall-ballard/.

bangalore.

nugget

Brought it all back. A zero score is about right.

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My Story - a (kinda) newbie from the UK

by wizzstick in

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after lurking for 7 and half years (is that a record?!

) its time for me to say hello.. so who am i, and whats my story?.

im a born in jw, with all my siblings, mother, wife and children in.

nugget

Welcome from another south of England compatriot.

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I think my wife is going to open the can of worms...

by sosoconfused in

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so over the last 5 - 7 months as some may know i have resigned as an elder and just came to a cold stop going to the meetings.

brothers call i wont answer the phone.

if they come by i just wont answer the door.

nugget

awesome woman well done her.

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Since you've left, are you still good friends with your bestest JW buddies?

by Julia Orwell in

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is it possible that someone has a jw friend who's very active in the congregation, knows you don't believe it anymore, and is still your friend?

i'm at the point where word is getting out that i'm not going to meetings anymore, and friends ask me if they'll be seeing me at the ca and i tell them i'm not going.

they want to know why, and what they can do to encourage me.

nugget

No. I had believed they were my friend but in the end they were merely cult puppets unable to think for themselves or appreciate what we shared and meant to each other. The difference between us is that if they came to my door I would welcome them in, if I went to theirs they wouldn't even open the door. Their friendship was conditional on what I believe mine is not.

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The Elders want to meet with me ... (Judicial Meeting)

by Oubliette in

the elders want to meet with me.

at least that's what they keep telling me, and they've been saying it for more than a month and a half now.

just so you're clear: this is a judicial committee.

nugget

The truly sad thing is that they are not children any more but young adults. Adults who will make choices that are right and wrong. Going back in to save them is a noble ambition and I can't blame the OP for trying but it is also incredibly hard to achieve. Anyone trying this strategy needs to be aware of their own mental well being as this is a stressful thing to attempt. Know your limits and know when you need to take a break.

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The Elders want to meet with me ... (Judicial Meeting)

by Oubliette in

the elders want to meet with me.

at least that's what they keep telling me, and they've been saying it for more than a month and a half now.

just so you're clear: this is a judicial committee.

nugget

I appreciate that you may not aware of my personal circumstances but we did walk away and left family and friends behind. Whilst it was painful it was also necessary for us to rebuild and give our family an authentic childhood and a real chance to have a better life. For us it is a decision I have never regreted.

The OP position is different in that they wish to return but the elders seem to have no desire to fufil that request. If they have family still in that they are close to then they may feel it is the only option. However depending on the reason for the DF'ing in the first place, reinstatement may take months or years. I genuinely am concerned that constant humiliation can have a damaging affect on a person's self esteem and mental health. Sometimes taking a break from the process to mentally regroup and restore balance can be helpful and healing.

The OP also asked what the elders behaviour says about the religion and my response is that for everyone it is better to walk away since the religion is toxic and causes harm.

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Should all elders be painted with the same brush?

by Socrateswannabe in

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an hour or two ago, i was reading a topic on this forum that welcomed new elders to jwn.

there was some criticism aimed at the op and i understand that elders shouldn't be singled out as special.

one poster said he/she hates all elders.

nugget

Not all elders are bad I knew some that I truly respected and could see that they were trying to set a good example in their own lives. These men were compassionate, reasonable and loving shepherds. I also knew some who were in it for the power and control and unfortunately these ones are the ones with the greatest influence and control in the congregations.

People are people, there are good and bad everywhere. Elders who learn TTAT are in a difficult position since they may feel that remaining in that position gives them the ability to help. However this may not be as easy as imagined since other elders also bring their own agendas and influence into the mix. There is also the problem that as an elder you will be under more scrutiny than the average publisher and it is harder to walk away or reduce involvement.

I found it very hard to go on the ministry, answer up or even sit through a meeting once I was aware. Having to do talks, counsel others or discipline people would have been beyond me.

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The Elders want to meet with me ... (Judicial Meeting)

by Oubliette in

the elders want to meet with me.

at least that's what they keep telling me, and they've been saying it for more than a month and a half now.

just so you're clear: this is a judicial committee.

nugget

This is just to reinforce to you how utterly unimportant your life and concerns are to them. The fact that your family and friends are distanced from you whilst theirs are not is irrelevent to them and the fact that they can share fellowship with other witnesses and you cannot is of no consequence. Whilst you are in this state of sin you are less than nothing so unless there is no sport on TV or something they would rather do then this meeting is an inconvenience to them rather than a necessity. The fact that they keep postponing may be that they are not going to reinstate you and wish to avoid the unpleasantness.

It tells me it is better to walk away than wait forever.

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What would you say?

by nicsfreedom in

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i pondered on a rather strange idea (sort of a divided feeling) today after reading an article and i wondered how all of you would react.

in the unlikely event the ivory towers of wathtower came crashing down (not literally) lets just say there was a mass awakening.

for those of you who have suffered from atrocious behavior from friends and family, how would you really react?

nugget

I'd welcome my sister with open arms you don't get many opportunities for a really good "I told you so".