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  AUTISM and JW children

  by apostatekate in

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  i was a jw kid.

  i remember having to sit still through long, boring meetings.

  i remember being taken to the book room for numerous spankings.

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  LilieKat do you have an autistic child? I only ask this because whilst training and clear explaination is invaluable to helping them Bible studies based on JW doctrine are both damaging and unnecessary. Quite honestly learning to cope with their peers and make sense of the world are more important lessons than religion. My son was 8 when we left no longer an infant. He was not badly behaved but the meetings were damaging on many levels, it wasn't just how long they were and the demands to pay attention and be quiet, it was the nature of the doctrine that was the issue.

  Since children with ASD can fear unlikely events such as meteors falling from the sky etc some of the literature including My Book of Bible Stories plays on these fears. Some of those stories are truly barbaric. When we left we threw out all the societies books because the illustrations terrified my son and brought about incidents of hysteria at school.

  My son has attended church services and particpated in school assemblies with no difficulty, The main difference has not been the length of time or solomn occasion but the tolerance and inclusion. He has not had nightmares over St Georges day parades or carol services or even easter assemblies. These occasions emphasised positive messages for him. Whilst he only attends occasionally when the scouts or school have an event he is comfortable to go and has not been taken out of the building to be disciplined.

  It is the religion itself and its doctrine that are harmful for any child not just those with special needs.
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  Involved with a JW woman

  by jonza in

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  2. relationships

  okay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.

  i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.

  we're in love and seriously want to be together.

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  All relationships take work and effort. A relationship with a believing JW is difficult since the society is very good at controlling it's members and sidelining the unbelieving spouse. If your girlfriend still believes but feels unworthy she will have many issues and feelings of guilt. The DF'ing process is designed to be humiliating and embarrassing in order to bully someone into submission. It can break a relationship because the non JW is seen as the cause of all the problems.

  Don't underestimate the problems nor the disruption. As you have children of your own I would take things slowly and make sure that they can cope with the relationship and it's implications. Birthdays, Christmas, Mother;s Day and many other celebrations and activities are denied to JW children. They are also denied to JW adults who also have issues with attending church weddings, funerals and Christenings.

  It is clear that you care for this woman and she is lucky to have you but don't rush into anything. It may even be worth having counselling together to explore the main areas of friction as JWs find challenge to their beliefs very difficult to deal with and it can lead to anger. If an expert is there to help it may help her to think more rather than shut down. ICSA does offer exit counselling sometimes free of charge for members of high control groups.
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  I dropped TTATT to some door knockers today

  by TheStumbler in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  two jws came to my door today and i dropped a few truths bombs on them.

  i thought i'd share my account of how the conversation went.. .

  i was in the yard doing some weeding when two gentlemen walked through the gate.

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  You gave it your best shot. It is very hard to penetrate the JW mindset but who knows. Your reasoning was sound and there is no wriggle room except in the vacuum of their minds.
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  Come On And PLAY!!!

  by snowbird in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  this here is very educational.. http://www.funtrivia.com/tournament/jwd-trivia-quiz-75350.html.

  come on, y'all.. sylvia.

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  Bible quiz today, it brings back memories. Top of the board but very beatable.
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  Do The Writing Committee Believe?

  by jw07 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone personally know jws serving on the writing committee?.

  what is their outlook regarding the end; are they still truly convinced?.

  are they expressing doubts or seem demotivated?.

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  Writing committee, amend articles to reflect changes, see the original documents that they mine quotes from and pick things that fit doctrine. Have access to libraries of old light.

  They know what they are doing.
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  College Class about JWs .... book suggestions?

  by Shepherd Book in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have the opportunity to take an independent study class through my university this summer.

  my advisor, a history professor, suggested i choose jehovah's witnesses as a topic.. we are now trying to formulate a syllabus.

  she suggests i write two papers: one on the history of jws, and another on their doctinal approach.. so now my question is...what books/articles/videos do i list on my syllabus as sources i intend to read and use for the papers?.

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  ICSA may also have articles about JWs they ran a 2 day workshop last summer and may be able to offer research on them.
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  Need an ex-elder or someone who knows

  by Roberta804 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been a long time since i have been here, but i need you guys now.

  my mother-in-law is on her death been; most likely will not make it though the night.

  my husband and i have sat with her for the past two days, she is totally unconcious.

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  Depends on how important JW relatives are since they do tend to move the goalposts to suit.
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  Come On And PLAY!!!

  by snowbird in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  this here is very educational.. http://www.funtrivia.com/tournament/jwd-trivia-quiz-75350.html.

  come on, y'all.. sylvia.

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  top of the board for thefirst time ever I'll enjoy my moment for the few seconds it lasts.
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  Didn't you just hate sharing a KH??

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i like to get stuff done in the morning and do my own thing later.. i really hated the afternoon meeting.

  you had no time to do sod all.

  not even eat a decent lunch with a glass of wine!!.

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  In the past there was always one congregation that called the shots and picked the best meeting times. I was in 2 congregations that were stuck with the afternoon meetings on Sunday for decades because the other congregation preferred morning meetings and wouldn't swap. When the rotation came it was really nice to get morning meetings on a Sunday on either a bi annual basis or for 2 years.

  At the time you work with it because you are encouraged to be faithful and obedient and even though part of you thinks something is awkward or unreasonable you still do it. I found that when I had children I found some of the selfishness trying especially as it was my children who were affected.
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  Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

  by Juan Viejo2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

  he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

  i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

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  If the 144,000 no longer includes women whether it is a literal number or not this will be a bitter pill for many faithful sisters who have believed themselved to have the heavenly hope, they will be crushed and humiliated. This may have a huge impact at a local level. In the past they have always said that if someone claims to be annointed when they are not then there is no other hope for them, if they are not annointed then they die since they have rejected the earthy hope for something that is not theirs. It would not just be a change of status but condemnation to death.

  I wonder if they will be arrogant enough to do this. Being an annointed sister has not always been a quest for prominence since for sisters this has always been something they felt was between them and God. They had no special status in the congregation and no chance to be part of the GB.

  How they rationalise this or persuade the flock will be interesting.