Posts by nugget

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I heard an interesting piece of information from a super-elder today

by Barrold Bonds in

today i attended the special assembly day (sad lol).

i overheard a conversation between an elder and another elder.

we'll call this guy a super elder because he's on all sorts of committees in the area.

nugget

People in Twickenham will be more concerned about the disruption to the traffic they will not even be aware of the 100 year anniversary. Honestly if God could build the Earth in 6 days you would have thought he would have got a lot more done in 100 years.

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All appointed men are being told they have to pioneer now!

by stuckinarut2 in

yes, you read correctly..... all appointed men have been told in a new letter that they have to pioneer to "set the lead" whenever there is a "special" campaign month.

they use some scripture saying that these ones have to show by example.... so for any of us who are appointed and have learned ttatt, it is going to be very hard to fade during this time!.

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nugget

This is all to look good. The E and MS have more personnal investement in this cult and therefore the most to loose. It is easier to apply pressure to this group. It also is made up of a number of individuals some of whom are elderly and infirm and for whom 30 hours is still a big ask. They are likely to feel the most pressure.

On the annual report there will be much talk of willing spirit and Jehovah's blessing when in fact it is coercion and control. In the past there was much emphasis on personal commitment and being moved by the spirit to do more. This has all gone if it was ever there in the first place. If appointed men feel guilty about not pioneering and step down this may create other issues since they have trouble getting men to take on the responsibility. This could be an own goal for the society.

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The Fossil Record: vs God Allowing Pain & Suffering

by Shanagirl in

what a man does with the fossil record tells a lot about his worldview.

is it the result of a world-covering deluge?

or did this sorry chronicle of pain, suffering, and death precede humans (and the reign of death) by millions of years?

nugget

An event after the Fall sufficiently accounts for the fossil record. That event was the Genesis Flood.

/\ /\ from the linked article

Good grief!! I shudder at the ignorance

(Cantleave on nugget's computer)

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Evolution is just a theory

by donny in

for those who have heard this comment, check out aron ra's great site.. http://www.aronra.com/.

nugget

I do have issues when a debate ends up with generalisations on both sides. I would be grateful if people could cite sources when stating something is what most people are thought to believe. I think it is important to educate people on academic argument and the criteria for this rather than lazy personal opinions bandied about as robust researched theories.

If you are going to make a staement then the evidence behind that statement should be cited too. Otherwise it is just he said she said.

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Defending JW Child Abuse Policy at blogspot

by Iown Mylife in

this website has been mentioned on previous topics but i just happened onto this current article "elijah" has posted.

you have to scroll down to get to thursday's article (yesterday), titled jehovah's witnesses child abuse policy.

it's at defending jehovahs witnesses dot blogspot dot com and there's no where to comment that i could find.

nugget

This article relfects what witnesses think happens but not what actually happens. There are enough victims to show that they do not protect the members from molesters just the organisation from bad publicity.

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Where were you? / How old were you?... during the Ray Franz witch trial?

by Zoos in

jw
friends

i was 13yo and largely clueless to what was going on.

i think i remember hearing something about an apostate being weeded out of bethel but really couldn't have cared less.

i didn't start getting zealous until a couple of years later.. .

nugget

I was 15 it barely made a blip on my conciousness.

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No wonder they hate apostates!!

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

besides a cult, everyone knows the watchtower is a business disguised as a religion.

from a business viewpoint, i would certainly hate or lobby against those who dislike my product and warn other people of my product.. i made a calculation based on information from jwfacts, and the results are just astounding!.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php.

nugget

I agree with the original premise that the society is a business and Apostates inhibit growth and thus reduce money coming in. I have noticed that the amount of time and attention devoted to financial matters seems to have increased of late. The society has reduced talk of expanding since the number of Branch offices has reduced. Despite this reduction in buildings the society never has the money to fund new buiulding projects but instead keeps calling on the Brothers and sisters to provide parts and labour. It has stopped talk about never begging for money because quite frankly all it ever does is beg for money. It has gone from widows mites to personnal pledges and monthly commitments.

It has kept it's members ignorant and ill informed so in the main they have lower earning potential, this means that every member has to be milked to get the maximum return. Since the return on each member is low then each loss is significant.

Apostates are tenacious, they are out there and often driven by a zeal that witnesses lack. Because they are often treated unjustly and cruely by their old religion their stories have an impact. The society has created it's own demons and has only themselves to blame.

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Is it true that elders lurk the forums?

by make yourself in

it seems like it is one huge contradiction.

but are they doing it for the purpose to try to guess exactly who in the congregation is on ex jw sites?

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nugget

Not just elders but any self righteous witness on a witch hunt can stalk you here or on Facebook. With this in mind think about what you post if you don't want the elders to turn up at your home with printouts of your posts.

It happened to us. Now I see the funny side back then I was more irritated than fearful.

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So Spill the Beans, Brothers: Were There More or Fewer At this Year's Bore-Fest

by steve2 in

the jw date-worshipped memorial has just completed its bleak worldwide commemoration.

that wasn't a dust cloud you saw; it was a millionfold hearts limply beating themselves into another round of great tribulation expectations.

i was knocked into a deep, deep sleep by the imagined experience of being at several thousand consecutive kingdom halls as the platformed drones spat forth the predictable sludge that, once released, hits and stains white clothing and bleach is useless.. we know that memorial attendance worldwide has dipped for two consecutive years since 2011 when it reached a high of 19,374,737 and for the promised land, obama's usa, the all time memorial attendance high was also 2011 when it hit over 2.5million (2,563,518) but shrunk in shame back to 2,502,055 in 2012 and spluttered upwards a handful or two to 2,504,114 last year.. so, what was attendance at the date-obsessed bore-fest this year in your neck of the woods?

nugget

Since the number of casual lies told by the society are so many I seriously doubt that there has been an accurate memorial figure published for years and this year will be no different.

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What usually happens after the memorial?

by Frazzled UBM in

do members of the congregation usually have a meal together after the memorial?

does the fact that my wife has decided not to travel across town to her filipino congregation and is going to the local one instead and wants to be picked up when it finishes at 8 pm mean that she hasn't been invited to a meal with her filipino congregation and that she is being socially excluded by them?

i think this is good news but i don't want her to get caught up with the local congregatin because i don't want them coming around to pressure her to attend when she is irregular.

nugget

It is probably a cultural thing. I was a witness for 40 years plus and was never invited anywhere after a memorial. Everyone went home, we weren't encouraged to socialise as there was often another congregation coming into the hall after us.