I am very evasive, and never give a direct answer and change the subject very quickly .....
"Yeah it seems ages since I have been there, by the way how's the new.........................................? Great talking to you, see soon Take Care.!
Posts by nugget
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35What I hate most about missing the meetings...
by gutted in...is when people ask why i wasn't there.
usually i tell them, that i was sick, or not feeling well, which for the most part is true.
what is irritating is when someone presses it, especially someone you are closer with in the congregation.
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Jehovah and the Munchausen Syndrome
by Terry inwhat is munchausen by proxy syndrome?.
one of the most harmful forms of child abuse, munchausen by proxy syndrome was named after baron von munchausen, an eighteenth-century german dignitary known for telling outlandish stories.
a parent will induce illness or injury in their own child and then take the victim in to the hospital to be seen as the heroic savior.. typically, the perpetrator feels satisfied when he or she has the attention and sympathy of doctors, nurses, and others who come into contact with him or her and the child.. because the parent or caregiver appears to be so caring and attentive, often no one suspects any wrongdoing.. .
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nugget
Terry I don't know. At the moment I am honest enough to say for sake of argument that there may have been. What I am arguing is that you make assumptions about the maturity of Adam and Eve that may be incorrect and that the bible indicates that god was not punishing the first humans because of an innocent mistake.
You need to allow for the possibility that Adam chose to eat the fruit with full knowledge of the implications for both himself and others. At the time he ate the fruit he would also have no knowledge that there was a way out for his offspring making his choice even more heinous. So was the perfect man actually a sociopath or did he assume that like a favourite child forgiveness would be easier to obtain than permission?
This does not affect the premise that we may have evolved or we may have been created.
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Please join me in Celebrating...I'm no longer
by onemore incelebrate good times,come on!
(let's celebrate).
celebrate good times, come on!
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nugget
My husband has never been happier since his resignation. I do feel sorry for the elders it's a hard job, no training and everyone checking that you live up to the responsibility. Your life isn't your own now it is.
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How often did you get donations from the HH in the FS?
by highdose inbecause in my experiance it was once in a blue moon!
even if we did ask/ suggest for money.
most of the contributions put in the box were out of the jw's own pocket.
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nugget
Very few people ever gave a donation.
I was once accosted by Hare Krishnas who wanted me to take a vegetarian cookbook. They then said it was free but people were making donations, good buddies were giving £5. I told them that I was a bad buddyand would never use it so they should save it for the next good buddy to come along.
I always felt you were lying to people, on one hand saying something was free and on the other that they should be guilted into parting with money. I
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JW Magistrate?
by GromitSK ini friend of mine told me today that her son has applied to become a magistrate (in the uk).
magistrates have to swear two oaths: an oath of allegiance and a judicial oath but apparently he has sought permission and has been told this is ok. is that right?.
see below for the required format: .
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nugget
You can sit on a jury it is a matter of conscience. On a jury you promise to judge the case fairly so there is nothing objectionable. Most witnesses chose not to. I stated that as a citizen of the UK I had a right to expect trial by jury, if I was happy to accept this for myself I had a responsibility to ensure that others also were able to exercise their right.
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Jehovah and the Munchausen Syndrome
by Terry inwhat is munchausen by proxy syndrome?.
one of the most harmful forms of child abuse, munchausen by proxy syndrome was named after baron von munchausen, an eighteenth-century german dignitary known for telling outlandish stories.
a parent will induce illness or injury in their own child and then take the victim in to the hospital to be seen as the heroic savior.. typically, the perpetrator feels satisfied when he or she has the attention and sympathy of doctors, nurses, and others who come into contact with him or her and the child.. because the parent or caregiver appears to be so caring and attentive, often no one suspects any wrongdoing.. .
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Terry you may mock the idea of Adam naming the animals, quite frankly it isn't important after all this is a fable. But the point I was making was that we have no idea how long allegorical Adam was around before allegorical Eve came on the scene. You create the idea that they were mental children innocent and incapable of reasoning. I argue that the story does not paint them as such.
This is not high literature at the end of the day but your argument has to take into account the whole text.
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Talked to an OLD friend...he has NO desire to 'return' to the fold either!!
by babygirl30 inthere was a family in my cong that i was really close to...dad's an elder, mom's a pioneer, they had a son and daughter.
about 5yrs ago though, when i was still in my jw trance - the son married a non-jw and faded while the daughter was df'd.
due to my judgemental training, i 'shunned' both of them out of duty (not because i didn't care about them).
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It is only in the org that friendships are conditional. Outside the org people can be people and friendships can outlast cultish training.
Good for you I was so glad to here is all turned out so well.
Jane
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Question to those who have recently left the WT
by Brymichmom inis it unusual for jw's to take in a newly baptized person and support that person if they have no money/income of their own?.
i have been out of the wt for 30 years now, but i know a lot of things just don't change all that much.
the daughter of some people i recently met came to me for help last year.
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nugget
Several things come to mind. At 17 emotions and passions are strong but they are rarely enduring. The boy who I fancied like crazy at 17 I loathed by the time I was 18. This relationship will probably run it's course. Outside the organisation these romances rarely result in marriage. So step 1 would be that however strong her feelings are she should be encouraged to wait before making an "everlasting" commitment to this boy. Her parents can point out that as she has already made a life changing commitment to God and that she needs to explore this before making others.
Each time the parents speak to her they need to reassure her that they love her deeply are sorry she has chosen for the time being to live apart but look forward to seeing her again when she is ready.
Keep college firmly in mind education is the best antidote to the organisation and will also give her the opportunity to meet new people and form new relationships. Each time they call move college goals closer set times to go shopping for college supplies and dorm equipment. Tell her she needs to think also about buying a thank you gift for who ever is putting her up at the moment to show appreciation for letting her stay these few weeks, thus subtlely emphasising the temporary nature of the existing accommodations.
At the moment it is all about weathering the storm and moving her through to college. She may be getting pressure from the witnesses to pioneer and give up college but she needs to go. If she starts to blow hot and cold about education her parents can tell her that college will be essential in order to gain true independance and have the freedom to make choices. Since she is making choices she needs to be able to support herself in future and as there are more women than men in the org she cannot rely on some man looking after her.
The parents can say they are willing to help her but there will come a time when she needs to be in the best position to look after herself. She seems a bit needy and selfish after all there isn't much kudos running away from mum and dad to bunk in someone else's house. She needs to learn that freedom also brings responsibility. Whilst it is cute to put up a 17 year old who has had a tiff with their parents, it is not cute to do the same for a 20 year old loafer. Parents do it because they love you, strangers because they feel good for a bit but the glow will fade.
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It goes to show that unless you've been in it you don't get it. Disfellowshipping is a terrible thing to do to another human being espeacially on the basis that someone no longer believes.
These were truly tragic cases.
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Removing Dub Dogma from the mind is not easy
by Mad Sweeney inrecent conversation with my wife went like this (she still wants to believe in the bible, god, etc.
her: i'm glad we're out of jw.. me: me, too.
our family is happier than ever with low stress.. her: i feel sorry for them.
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It is hard since your whole mindset included these doctrines. It is hard to let go of it. I find I have to stop myself and think why do I believe it? Where is the evidence? It is definitely a case of taking no belief for granted after all I have been a slave to sloppy research for several decades and now have to think for myself.