Posts by jelly

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AMERICA'S REVENGE HAS STARTED!

by nicolaou in

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reports are coming in (bbc) of tracer fire and explosions in kabul, afghanistan.. this is of course wher osama bin laden is holed up - have the fbi/cia managed to successfully pin this atrocity on him already?.

nic'

jelly

Actually Mike I just read your reply and its not going to take that much time to respond to.

I don’t believe in calling for the actions of ending terrorism and the removal of the Taliban from power makes me fearful or intolerant. I am neither. I have thoughout my post tried to show through the example of Harry Truman how good men can be goaded into horrible acts that benefit the world. And to be honest I am offended (I realize this might mean nothing to you) that people that have my view are often demonized as you and others have characterized them.

No it would not be fair of you to make that assumption about all Irishmen. I have to again ask you were have I made that statement about all the Muslims being terrorist. Find one of my post in which I called for Muslims to be ‘rounded up and put in camps’ or any of the other hysteria. I often find myself answering to charges that I never made, this is a prime example.

Glass parking lot? Several times I have mentioned I am against the use of NBC weapons. Completely against. I am for bombing Afghanistan, and I feel that the bombing has to be a very aggressive campaign. Not targeting civilians but we cannot be concerned with their safety either. If an ammunition dump is next to a house I don’t believe we can pass on blowing it up just because of the probability of civilian deaths. In war people die, sometimes war is inevitable and necessary.

Bombing raising up 10,000 more Bin Ladens. I don’t agree. Bombing will show certain countries that we are serious about halting their support of Bin Laden, With no money, training bases, and intelligence network you will have no terror network. Anyway bombing seemed to work in the case of Libya; once again I look to history for precedent.

Jelly

P.S. You put my words in quotes to imply that I was a terrorist, either you understand why I find that offensive or you don't.

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AMERICA'S REVENGE HAS STARTED!

by nicolaou in

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reports are coming in (bbc) of tracer fire and explosions in kabul, afghanistan.. this is of course wher osama bin laden is holed up - have the fbi/cia managed to successfully pin this atrocity on him already?.

nic'

jelly

Mike you are going to wait until this weekend, I have to much homework to do now to respond to you post in any detail. Don't worry though I have not forgotten.

Jelly

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REBUTTAL to Why Americans are hated

by Amazing in

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[edited] i appreciate saintsatan's post.

this rebuttal is not intended as any negative response to saintsatan.

i think he did a good thing to post an important point of view, a view that needs consideration to balance out the actioins of political leaders everywhere.

jelly

Thanks Amazing,

I will not have much time to post the next couple of days so I am glad to see someone actually have a balanced view. Some people are very quick to see only negative in the actions of the US, they ignore all the millions sent in Aid and food to some of these very countries. I have noticed many people just pull the facts from the problem that supports their preconceptions.

Jelly

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Message from Brooklyn Bethel on the Terrorist Atta

by Kent in

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message from brooklyn bethel on the terrorist attack on the us .

i've been reading your site for some time and i appreciate the information that you provide.

many of the questions that i've asked for years are being asked by you and your visitors.

jelly

Kent,

How is JanH? I have not seen him post for awhile, I know he was going on a trip. Hope he is not stranded somewhere.

Jelly

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AMERICA'S REVENGE HAS STARTED!

by nicolaou in

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friends

reports are coming in (bbc) of tracer fire and explosions in kabul, afghanistan.. this is of course wher osama bin laden is holed up - have the fbi/cia managed to successfully pin this atrocity on him already?.

nic'

jelly

Bringing this back to the top for Comf.

Also I will respond to Mike and Fedoja Sunday.

Jelly needs sleep.

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To KILL or Not to KILL?

by Amazing in

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a tough question: to kill or not to kill?

this is a very tough question because there can be so many variables, so many views, so many things to consider, so many circumstances, so many beliefs.

do we kill as we do any of this?.

jelly

Comf,
You never answered my questions in ‘Americas vengeance has begun’. Eagerly awaiting you reply.

Jelly

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No counter strike? How else would you punish them?

by MrMoe in

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for those of who don't care for a counter strike or killing those who committed this horrendous crime - how would you go about stopping terrorisim and punish the wrongdoers if you were president?.

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jelly

Okay crossroads I will respond to your post.

Jelly I assume you are calling yourself an Adult so for
this great cause may I assume you enlisted this week.
You are going to but your money were your mouth is right.
I mean your life on the line for your cause

Did you watch the news this week? I don’t have to enlist to be on the front lines, I am on the front lines every time I go to the ticket counter at American Airlines. I am on the front lines each time I use mass transit. I am on the front lines each time I go to see Americas land marks. No, in this war enlisting is not a necessity for finding the front lines.

I guess killing defenseless men, women and childern
is an adult compromise you are willing to live with oh as long
as their Jappanesse-Budhist-Hindu-Arab or Muslim.

We have killed lots of Christians in wars, just ask the Germans.

Those are your only two points worth responding to; the rest of your post was just a series of emotions strung sloppily together by someone that missed their medication.

And I am still waiting for you to reply to my post here are the questions:

[1] What would the world be like if America had not opposed Stalinist Russia?
[2] If Bin Laden is only attacking us because of our support of dictators why is he attacking other Islamic states like Jordan and Saudi Arabia?
[3] Does not World War II prove that sometimes war is necessary and (although horrible in execution) the outcome makes the world a better place?

Your simplistic views are simply sad, if you were 10 it would be understandable.

Jelly

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and now a minutes silence for the people of Iraq

by GWEEDO in

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you know, as much as i was horrified and felt sick to the gut by the wtc disaster (i must have watched that plane crash into the wtc about fifty times).

there are other things going on in the world that largely go unreported by comparison but constitute just as much suffering(if not more) as the wtc disaster.. one of the questions i've asked myself is why is the u.s. so hated by certain arab groups.

maybe this article from off the 'noam chomsky archive'[url] http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm[/url] will go a little way to answering that:.

jelly

Gweedo,

That last post was the cowards way out. If you had the guts to bring up these issues then you should have the guts to defend them. Read my post and answer my questions. I’ll be bringing this up to the top until I get a response.

[1] Why is America responsible for feeding Iraq's children?
[2] Why do you blame America and not S. Husein?
[3] What reasons do you have to believe with extra income S. Husein would feed his people?

Jelly egarly awaiting your reply.

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No counter strike? How else would you punish them?

by MrMoe in

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for those of who don't care for a counter strike or killing those who committed this horrendous crime - how would you go about stopping terrorisim and punish the wrongdoers if you were president?.

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jelly

Crossroads,

Some points for you to consider. The USA has given money to almost everybody, sometimes its helps the situation and sometimes not. I suggest you read up on the marshal plan for a time when an economic package helped. But then that would involve forming an informed opinion.

As far as funding repressive regimes, yes you are correct we have done that. The reason why was we were in a cold war with the soviet union, we perceived (correctly) that they were a greater threat so sometimes we had to go with the allies available and not the ones of our choosing. Once again I ask you what were the alternatives? Should America have isolated itself? What would the world be like now if we had done that? I’ll tell you the whole of Europe would have been dominated by Stalin style communism.

America reaping what is has sowed. Once again another dumbass comments without any facts to back up their position. Bin Laden is attacking America because he feels we are infidels, in order to not deserve his attacks we would all have to convert and start living under the totalitarian Islamic law of the Taliban. Bin Laden has also used suicide bombers in Afghanistan (against other Muslims) and other Islamic states like Saudi Arabia. He has also said that Jordan and Saudi Arabia must be destroyed, what did these countries do to earn his hatred. He is not attacking America because he wants us to do something or stop something else; he is attacking America because he feels our free way of life is apostasy.

Idiots. Only children expect perfect justice in the world, adults realize sometimes you must make compromises for the greater good.

Jelly

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No counter strike? How else would you punish them?

by MrMoe in

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for those of who don't care for a counter strike or killing those who committed this horrendous crime - how would you go about stopping terrorisim and punish the wrongdoers if you were president?.

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jelly

MrMoe,

You probably will not get a reply from any of them because there is none. I noticed a lot of people criticizing the urge and will to take action but I have not seen one valid proposal of what to in its place.

Reading Fedoja’s post I keep hearing the voice of Maude Flanders (Simpsons) in my head saying ‘think about the children’. Her post are just one long appeal to emotion.

Jelly