REBUTTAL to Why Americans are hated

by Amazing 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    [edited] I appreciate SaintSatan's post. This Rebuttal is not intended as any negative response to SaintSatan. I think he did a good thing to post an important point of view, a view that needs consideration to balance out the actioins of political leaders everywhere. Likewise, I trust that this rebuttal can serve that purpose as well.

    Americans: We are not so ill-informed as to fail to understand the plight, poverty, and suffering of third world nations. Americans are well aware of the mistakes our leaders have made, and the anti-American expressions over the years, such as 'Yankee Go Home!" Americans well remember our blunders, especially our protracted war in Viet Nam, a war that did not accomplish any useful purpose other than to kill a lot of good people on all sides. Americans are taught at an early age of our nation's mistreatment of Japanese Americans during WWII, our enslavement of African Americans, broken treaties with American Indians, and many subsequent civil rights problems. Americans are equally aware that many of our nation's foreign policies have supported bad governments that have hurt people. We did this under the banner of resisting communism as the ostensible motive. Americans are taught, from kindergarten through college, to feel guilt, guilt, and more guilt for these errors, and at times for our very existence.

    Have we also done good? I submit that we have done good. We set the world on fire with the notion of democracy. Our major contribution in WWII strongly helped in ridding the world of Hitler and the Nazis, Mussolini and Facism. For 50 years thereafter, we kept the Soviets in check. We rebuilt nations after WWII. We sent many volunteers via scores of religious missions, private and public charities to feed, cloth, and educate the poor. We poured billions upon billions over decades out of our hard earned tax dollars into many nations to help, only to discover that power-mongers in those nations lied via propaganda to their people that America did nothing; and accusing us of ill intention and bad behavior. Often these were lying communists bent on enslaving the people. We sent in our young men at the request of many nations, such as Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait to liberate them, as well as saving their only real asset --- oil --- yes, oil we need, but oil that we built the infrastructure for including the pumping rigs and storage and delivery systems; oil that we pay dearly for, and oil that enriches those peoples such that they are far wealthier than the average American. We build infrastructure, such as the airports and shipping ports, and the entire city of Jubail -- the worlds largest construction project in history --- a city pre-built and dfesigned for 250,000 people --- and then do so wihtout violating the culture of those people --- a city built by the company I once worked for - Bechtel Corporation in San Francisco. We loan money at favorable rates and sell the equipment and technology, often on long term credit they may never pay, just so thesew nations can fend for themselves. Yet, they often take such aid and buy guns and start wars, then have the gall to blame it all on America.

    What thanks do we get? By way of example, one of their spoiled brat filthy rich sons, Osama Bin Laden takes $300,000,000 in inheritance, oil money from the USA, and starts a war in Afghanistan against the Soviets, a war that American also financed and provided equipment and training. A war that saves Bin Laden his hundreds of millions of dollars. What does Bin Laden do? Does he take his filthy rich money and help build Afghanistan, feeding the poor and making that country better off? Oh NO! He buys more weapons, training, and then blames the USA for violating their holy land and culture and kills Americans! What a dirty, filthy, wicked hypocrite he is! He is not alone, but one among many such evil men bent on pure cultish hatred of Americans and other western nations.

    What should these poor people have done? So while these people are poor and backward, what could they have done? Was violence the only way to get attention? Absolutely NOT!!! Many Amewicans, including me, have read information that speaks to their cause, but too little information is available that would have helped us understand what happened to Palestine and other poor nations. These people fail to understand us. For had they understood, or taken the time to understand, they would have used our media, and with a few of Bin Laden's filthy rich American dollars earning huge interest, could have filled us with information so we could pressure our leaders to change and improve policies so that we could be more constructive with them, and not continue to make blunders.

    They could have done as many Arab Americans are now doing, reaching out to us, and helping us understand that Islam means PEACE, and that the Holy Koran forbids harming others or commiting suicide.

    What these wicked terrorists have really done: Instead of endearing Americans and using some of Bin Laden' riches, and the riches of the Arabian oil Barrons, and even the financial aid from American and other nations to provide more information and education, they decide to hurt innocent American people, and people of other nations working at WTC. They fail to understand that America is not a race, or ethnicity, or culture. Our nation is an idea, an idea that is designed to embrace all. Yes an idea that still needs so much improvement, and mostly the hearts of still ignorant racists, but an idea that is growing and improving, and an idea that binds us in a way that is not understood.

    What these evil terrorists did was to rally the whole world around us, and they made our good people side with our government against them; and they, by their wicked actions placed themselves against the very people that would otherwise been their best friends. They really misjudged us, and I dare say this was a most serious mistake to do as they have done. So, as the "blame Game" is spread around, these evil terrorists bear the brunt of the responsibility.

    Do they have any justification? If a person is poor and breaks into any of your homes, kills your wife and children, and burns your house, what would you have the authorities do? Would you want your neighbors to say that it was your fault because you had plenty and the poor mistreated thief had nothing? Or would you seek the prosecution of the thief as a criminal, and rally your neighbors to share in mutual security? Would you argue that the thief must learn to find constructive ways to solve the dilema, or cave in and give him even more than he already took from you? These wicked terrorists have absolutely no justification to use ANY religion, be it Isalm, Christianity, Judaism or any other in this cultish fashion to kill innocent people as a means to an end. These terrorists are really CRIMINALS -- evil Criminals who have surendered their to be heard any further. They forfeited this when they kill innocent people to achieve thier ends. they belong in prison with the lowest dregs of society.

    What may eventually happen? The USA, with the support and help of the rest of the world will eventually win out, as they did with Pirates in the 19th century --- a similar form of terrorism requiring much the same tactics as they are about to use today.

    And yet, when all is said and done, the USA and other western nations will end up rebuilding those societies that often harbored these wicked terrorists, and will do much to reverse the unfortunate wars. Then I fear that my grandchildren will be "blamed" again for something that my generation failed to do in some exact and perfect way that we should have soemhow had the forsight to see into the future and make right. And some young little asshole from that part of the world will rise again to kill more innocent people in the 22nd century --- and the nonsence of stupid religious cults will continue, polarizing the right, left, and one religion against another. And history will keep repeating itself.

    What we all wish for? I can't really speak for everyone here, but I believe that the majority of us do not want any harm for people of other nations. We would have them enjoy opportunity, wealth, and a good living standard with us. We do not want to invade and change their cultures, except to have them act responsibly and enage in mutual security and respect for us and our ways of life. I am sure that the majority of third world nations and their people want to work peacefully with us to grow and prosper. But as long as we tolerate wicked terrorists, propagandists, power-mongers, religious cultist, and allow them to keep heaping guilt on us through lying jingoism, then our next generation will grow to live and die at the hands of terrorism. I can only hope that together, we, as civilized and responsible people, recognize our mutual needs, and find a way once and for all that will be a "win-win" for all nations. When that can begin to happen, then, and only then, can we set aside our destructive behavior, and move forward in far more productive and positive endeavors. - Amazing

  • Silverleaf
    Silverleaf

    Amazing! Thanks for being the voice of reason!
    Back to top!

    Silverleaf

  • jelly
    jelly

    Thanks Amazing,

    I will not have much time to post the next couple of days so I am glad to see someone actually have a balanced view. Some people are very quick to see only negative in the actions of the US, they ignore all the millions sent in Aid and food to some of these very countries. I have noticed many people just pull the facts from the problem that supports their preconceptions.

    Jelly

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Once again Amazing,

    You parlay the words into an indictment, against those who can so cavalierly dismiss the United States as at fault for all the worlds woes.

    The evidence you have presented should show our willingness to admit to wrongs, but prove beyond a doubt, our spirit and actions have far more than not, benefited millions not even living in the US.

    Thanks for the work.

    Danny

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Danny Boy and Amazing,

    Dammy, you said:

    : You parlay the words into an indictment, against those who can so cavalierly dismiss the United States as at fault for all the worlds woes.

    I agree with pretty much everything that was said, but also had an eerie thought that involves the WTS.

    Amazing is right that because of some evil deeds done by America over its history, our sworn enemies have not taken into consideration all the good that we've done as a people and as a nation.

    Consider:

    What world empire in history has completely decimated many of its worst enemies, demanded and received an unconditional surrender from them and then not only GAVE them the money to help rebuild their countries, but then gave them BACK their countries with the major stipulations being "We won't let you attack countries ever again and you must make your Country a Country of free people?" !!!!!!!

    Did Rome ever do that? Egypt? Greece? Britain? (Well, not without a fight first!) and certainly not until America first set the example.

    The classic comedy "The Mouse That Roared" was a terrific movie that perfectly illustrates this singularly unique quality that is only American, or at least was BEGUN by America. A little chicken shit country decides to declare war on America, knowing full and well that they would be better off in all ways after they lost the war because America would help them with buckets of money and other resources.

    What was the single greatest thing that ever happened to Europe in all of its long, long history. I'll debate that it was the Marshall Plan. The Marshall Plan not only rebuilt the countries of our European enemies and made them democracies, it brought a nearly unprecedented era of prosperity, peace and cooperation that in my knowledge of history Western Europe has not known before. Germany is either the second or third economic powerhouse in the entire world, only rivaled by Japan yet another democracy we created and helped rebuild. All of this less than fifty years after they were reduced to total rubble and nuclear devastation.

    On the otherhand, greedy DipFucks like the old Soviet Union screwed up every country they occupied after WWII.

    There are other countries we've done the same thing to help, too.

    What country do you know that freely embraces ALL religions and ethnicities who come to its shores. Despite ups and downs with our immigration laws and bullshit politicians always trying to screw things up, we've accepted tens of millions of people from all over the world, allowed them to be our Citizens and allowed them to be our elected public officials.

    As an American, do you think you could go to Afghanistan and receive the same treatment? Do you think you could (as an American or any other non-jihad-muslim-fanatic world citizen) hold any government office? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    YES, those morons DO hate us because we represent everything they are not and can NEVER be as long as their religious idiocy and bigotry runs their lives.

    They pick on our past errors and call us the Great Satan and ignore all the good we've done on this small planet.

    But, this eerie thought keeps popping up: isn't that EXACTLY the same thing that the WTS does to all other religions and especially ex-members of their Cult?

    Farkel

    "When in doubt, duck!"

  • Tina
    Tina

    Wow excellent thread here! Thanks Amazing and farkel for the insight!
    I found the statement regarding the putting aside of destructive behaviors and moving to a more positive and constructive worldview particularly important. This most certainly should be the goal for every thinking human being. It is proactive and solution oriented,rather than creating and continuing conflict. It makes wonderful sense to apply this in our everyday lives. It re-channels the negative energy back into the positive sphere,and that's where we all can make a difference. Thanks again! hugs to both of you,T

    Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    OK, Amazing, here we go!

    A coupla points: Certainly America is hated, but the haters are fundamentalist religious groups who hate all capitalist countries. America, being the biggest capitalist country in the world - and very noisy about that fact - is obviously going to be hated more than any other country. Oddly, Japan at number 2 is relatively ignored, not much flack for Germany at 3, whilst the UK at 4 gets plenty.

    Outside of the fundy scene, America is certainly not hated. True, Yanks do have a reputation for being insular and unknowledgeable about the rest of the world that can be irritating, but that is no different than the irritation caused by, say, the latent snobbishness of the English, the sang froid of the French or the insensitivity of the Aussies.

    I think that the incredible empathy that Brits have for Americans right now, pretty well says it all.

    Englishman

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

  • sleepy
    sleepy

    Farkel you said,

    "What was the single greatest thing that ever happened to Europe in all of its long, long history. I'll debate that it was the Marshall plan.The Marshall Plan not only rebuilt the countries of our European enemies and made them democracies, it brought a nearly unprecedented era of prosperity, peace and cooperation that in my knowledge of history Western Europe has not known before. Germany is either the second or third economic powerhouse in the entire world, only rivaled by Japan yet another democracy we created and helped rebuild. All of this less than fifty years after they were reduced to total rubble and nuclear devastation"

    This type of reasoning is why so many people in other countries think that americans can be so stupid and arrogant.

    Countries like Germany, Japan and also Britian and France are not rich today because Armerica rebuilt them although they did receive help after there allready vast wealth was spent on fighting two world wars ( Germany and Britian from start to finnish).

    For a start Germany and Japan no longer spend vast sums on building military forces unlike other countries and havent done so since the second world war.This puts them in a position to concentrate money elsewhere and build strong econimies.
    They may have been forced inbto this position but this was by America , Britian and Russia not America alone.

    So rightly should America supply money to rebuild these countries they annihilated many of their cities killing Hundreds of thousands of civillians in the procces, many more than were killed in the world trade centre .

    "A little chicken shit country decides to declare war on America, knowing full and well that they would be better off in all ways after they lost the war because America would help them with buckets of money and other resources."
    I dont know of any instance of that happening, can you state one?

    Do you really think people start wars because they want to be like another nation but carnt achieve it so they start a war in the hope of this so great a country with so much freedom that over 20,000 people get murdered every year will afterward rebuild the country and give it money and thaen they will be a rich country?
    Are you mad?

    Germany ,Japan and Great Britian have been very rich countries for a very long time their wealth was reduced by war, they didnt fight in the hope of getting money from America as they were already rich.
    They didn't envy the freedom in America as countries like Britian were already experiencing greater freedom, unless you link freedom with money making opportunites which could be enjoyed in any new country such as Australia or in South Africa as long as you suppressed the natives.That doesnt sound like America does it?

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Sleepy,

    OK, we all know that Yanks aren't exactly modest when they think that they are not being appreciated, but the whole nature of America is an "in your face" society. In many ways that is an excellent thing, if you visit there you will know that they are the most hospitable people in the world. They just insist that you acknowledge that fact, which is what gets up the noses of Europeans.

    Funny thing is, even if people don't like America, most people adore Americans.

    Englishman

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

  • Jigrigger
    Jigrigger

    Hi Englishman,

    "Oddly, Japan at number 2 is relatively ignored, not much flack for Germany at 3, whilst the UK at 4 gets plenty."

    That bolsters, in my opinion anyway, my belief that the attack(s) on the U.S. aren't due to the U.S. being a democratic, capitalist, non-Islamic country. I don't think Islamic fundies really give a rats ass about that, at least not to the extent of committing such horrible acts as they did last Tuesday. I think it has everything to do with the fact that the U.S. lends the most support to the Israelis. The U.K. is right behind the U.S. in that regard. On the other hand, countries like Germany and Japan are almost invisible when it comes to taking sides in the Arab-Israeli issues, hence they don't take as much "flack", as you put it.

    That's my take on it.

    Jrig

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