My guess is that lots of elders would start asking to move down if that was an option. It would tell the rest of the JWs that he did nothing wrong, which is what they want JWs to think (if even subconsciously) if an elder is deleted right now.
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Elders Can't Simply Go Back to Being Ministerial Servants...
by TTATTelder inas a currently serving "awake" elder caught in the web of family, spouse, employer, etc.
etc..... i have often wondered why an elder cannot simply drop back to ministerial servant if he so desired (because of stress, circumstances, health).. on paper a currently serving elder in good standing more than qualifies to be a ms. that is obviously the case by their own hierarchy structure and definitions of qualification.. but...under their current arrangement....theoretically a man could give a district convention talk one week to 10,000 people, step down as an elder the following day due to stress, and not "qualify" to give a 5 min part on the next week's service meeting in front of 50 people.
doesn't make a lot of sense.. so my question is this.....why do you think the wt forces a man to drop all the way "down" to publisher if he no longer wants to serve as an elder?.
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Seattle Convention - any updates?
by Lynnie inwas wondering if anyone attended the seattle intl convention and what it was like?
saw some pics from instagram, seems like quite the.
big production for sure!
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LostGeneration
Was Lett as goofy as he usually is?
I'm sure he was puttin' on quite a show with 40,000 sitting at attention.
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What Specifically Are the "Sins" Due to Imperfection that We Commit Each Day ?
by RubaDub inas jw's we are constantly reminded that we sin each day due to imperfection.
but when bringing up the specifics, i have never gotten a good answer.. several times i have even mentioned to others of my getting up on a sunday morning, reading the daily text, studying the watchtower for the afternoon meeting, driving to the meeting (under the speed limit), answering at the meeting, (not using more than one towel in the restroom), going out in service later in the afternoon, coming home, having dinner, and then in the evening preparing for a part for the ministry school.. i didn't recall scheming in my heart about doing something bad or anything like that.. so, specifically, where does the "sin" come in?
and if what i did was sinful, how can i improve on it?
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Thought crime.
See a well endowed hottie at the meeting and wish you could motorboat her ta-tas?
Think to yourself that Elder Johnson is a real dick?
Evil sinner.
Its all part of controlling the thoughts of a JW. Cult 101.
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why dont more elders leave?
by Crazyguy inyou would think that what they are exposed to more would wake up and leave, why not?
thoughts..
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LostGeneration
Becoming an elder can be a big ego-stroke. Suddenly you are participating in the secret back room meetings, appointed to serve on JCs, and getting your balls washed when you go out and visit congos by people you never met.
At the same time, you suddenly see the dark side of the org, the power hungry elders, the silly rules that have to be enforced, etc.
If an elder isn't woken up by the back room politics within a few years, it becomes 'comfortable' getting the adulation from everyone else. Then its very difficult to break through the cognative dissonance as you become extremely invested in the cult.
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I'm confused! Just what is the "new" donation arrangement and how is it like "tithing"?
by booker-t ini've been out so long but many of my ex-jws friends have been telling me of a "new" donation/tithing arrangement the wts is using today.
when i was a jws we had "contribution" boxes at the back of the kh and the elders would give talks about contributing to the kingdom interest.
we were not forced to give but gave as we pleased.
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LostGeneration
Or you could use the search button.
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Inactive relative defends new donation setup based on word of active relative. Doubts veracity of letters!
by Wasanelder Once inmy sister came to the society's defense on the issue of "pledged amounts" not being accurate because a realative stated that it didn't happen in her congregation.
so i said they were mistaken, and that i had access to the letters proving it.
she doubted that they were authentic.
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You can lead a horse to water.
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Local Kingdom Hall Speakers To Be Replaced By Governing Body Video Feeds.
by donuthole inso we've seen as the current gb is getting more facetime in an effort to reach the hearts and minds of the rank and file.
this took a leap with video feeds at an open annual meeting.
the international conventions are taking this a step farther.. do you think that local speakers at kingdom halls could ever be replaced by headquarter approved video feeds?.
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LostGeneration
I hope so.
Seeing that doofus Lett on screen every seven weeks would certainly alert some of the troops that they are in a cult.
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How long have you known TTATT and continued to participate?
by LostGeneration ini continue to be stunned by posters reporting on the convention, lamenting the convention, complaining about going in serve-us and meetings, and yet continuing to participate in these activities.. a simple question.
how long have you done these things, fully knowing it is absolute bullshit?.
i couldn't handle it for more than six months before i basically outed myself.
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@focus - I'll look that up. My opinion is that they are offering a product that is similar to other religions, everlating life. But theirs is especially appealing because as humans we all have an attachment to living, and a fear of dying. But they never have to deliver the product, just keep saying "Its coming, any day now, it'll be here. Annnnnyyy minute now."
@AnnOmaly - My God, that's a long time to wade through the bull.
@oneEyedJoe - Three months isn't too bad. Is it really starting to piss you off? Once you get real angry, or start drinking after (or before) meetings, you know its time to GTFO.
@oub - Agree with that, kinda the point of the thread. Once you get out there is always going to be some real shitty stuff immediately, but life gets so much better, and quickly. Just want those that feel "stuck" to realize there is so much more out there.
@bye bye - I can get the concept of fading for family, but these peeps are not your friends. You will realize that exactly one second after they know your true feelings about the WTBTS.
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How long have you known TTATT and continued to participate?
by LostGeneration ini continue to be stunned by posters reporting on the convention, lamenting the convention, complaining about going in serve-us and meetings, and yet continuing to participate in these activities.. a simple question.
how long have you done these things, fully knowing it is absolute bullshit?.
i couldn't handle it for more than six months before i basically outed myself.
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@problemaddict- Planning is key, what I'm noticing though is lots of people simply stuck, going and going with no firm date to get out.
@factfinder - I find it fascinating that so many are physically out, but mentally captive for a time, while others are exactly opposite.
@howthebible - So are you still going? How did you get those families to stop without being outed yourself?
@razziel - Great post. Blowing everything up seems impossible, but I admire those that go all that route. There was a poster, alltimejeff that absolutely burned every bridge and started over. Myself, I couldn't leave my JW wife, and am still with her but it remains an annoyance to me thought its much better now than it has been. I'm not telling anyone to leave their family, but I think many would be surprised if they just took a stand and said that they weren't going to participate in cult activity. Having a strong offense puts the JWs on defense, instead of the other way around.
@overforme- now that is the kind of stuff I admire. Any regrets at all? It doesn't sound like it
@phizzy - Leaving cold turkey like that I now believe is better than strining out a fade. Why bother?
@TJ- Wow. Crazy story. Really shows the fear JWs have of the world at large.
@giordano - Congrats on your exit, I know it took lots of insight and some balls to leave on your own pre-internet
@joe - I thought the same initially, that I could sit on the fence. It really tore me up listening to that stuff knowing it was 100% false.
@tornapart - Hope things continue to progress for you.
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Getting really for three days in hell
by cookiemaster inhey guys, there's another thing i wanted to share with you.
i know this topic has been discussed over and over again, but it's just so fun to complain about it.
we're going to the district convention this weekend.
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So can you explain to me why you are going?