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  How to Shit in the Woods

  by Wonderment in

  1. social
  2. humour

  "how to shit in the woods" ... this is actually a book title sold by the thousands, no, by the millions.

  yep, over 2.5 million copies of the book have been sold, and the author is a woman (kathleen meyer).. now, if you are a man, do you feel comfortable with a woman telling you "how to shit in the woods"?

  this book is in its third edition, in 8 languages to boot.

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  Wonderment

  "How to Shit in the Woods" ... this is actually a book title sold by the thousands, no, by the millions.

  Yep, over 2.5 million copies of the book have been sold, and the author is a woman (Kathleen Meyer).

  Now, if you are a man, do you feel comfortable with a woman telling you "how to shit in the woods"?

  This book is in its third edition, in 8 languages to boot. It is sold in Amazon, Books-A-Million, etc.

  I never imagined a book with such title would sell in the millions. I am intrigued that a woman is bold enough to publish such book. Well, maybe not. Men could learn a lot of things from women. But still, what expertise does this woman bring to the table in the "elimination" department?

  For more information: http://www.randomhouse.com/book/202954/how-to-shit-in-the-woods-3rd-edition-by-kathleen-meyer/

  Do any of you own this book?
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  Acts 4:21 - There Is No Salvation in Anyone Else

  by Darth Rutherford in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (the watchtower, 11/1/1990, p.25, par.

  -the watchtower 1/15/2011, p.4, par.

  -the watchtower 12/15/2007, p.14, par.

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  Wonderment

  Darth Rutherford:

  I appreciate the time and effort you put on this. I saved it.

  Thanks!
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  New World Translation Assaults on Language and Phrases that Always Wigged Me Out!

  by DarioKehl in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i listened to the august 4th episode of the healingxjws podcast where they interviewed a former jw circuit overseer.

  he shared many great examples of how original meanings (especially poetry) were lost in this terrible translation.

  it's worth listening to.

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  Wonderment

  Leolaia:

  I could not agree with you more. The NWT is not pleasant overall to read page after page.

  But because it's so unique, it has its place as a Study Bible (my opinion). The translation challenges many common views, and introduces many refreshing thoughts throughout the rendered text. Of course, I realize that is why many here and elsewhere dislike it.

  One thing that I found striking when reading Bible reviews of various versions (by the like of Lewis, Kubo/Specht, etc.), is that if a person were to focus on one of their chapters dealing with any of the many versions and its oddities, he or she could walk away with the "godawful" impression that that specific version fails the test. Granted, the NWT perhaps beats them all in the oddity department, but my point is that those same reviewers could take the positive renderings of any of those versions and produce a more estimulating experience.

  So, Leolaia, out of curiosity, have you ever come up with a list of NWT favorable renderings, if any? If so, could you share such a list with us?
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  New World Translation Assaults on Language and Phrases that Always Wigged Me Out!

  by DarioKehl in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i listened to the august 4th episode of the healingxjws podcast where they interviewed a former jw circuit overseer.

  he shared many great examples of how original meanings (especially poetry) were lost in this terrible translation.

  it's worth listening to.

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  dropoffyourkeylee said: "Here's one that always irked me:

  John 5:30, "I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me", where the wording should be "him who sent me". At least that is what I was taught in every English class, if it refers to a person the word should be 'who'. The NW translator did this repeatedly, especially in John:

  John 3:36,5:30,5:32, 6:45, 7:16,8:26, as well as Matt 5:28.

  You would think they could at least gotten the English grammar right."

  Did you check John 5:30 in the NWT against these others?:

  Wycliffe NT; Douay-Rheims Bible; Darby Translation; American Standard Version; Rotherham Translation, to name a few. Either the NWT translators were influenced by these older versions, or else, influenced by the Greek construction there (articular verbal participle aorist with a noun/adjectival force). [Literally: "...but the will of the (one)having sent me."]

  On another subject, in translating "my breasts are like towers, the NWT is not alone doing so, since that is the Hebrew reading. This well illustrates the disparity of languages, and the difficulty the Bible translator faces when having to choose between the original, and modern paraphrases to bring the writer's message across. The versions below communicate easier to modern readers, but the Hebrew analogies are lost. It's your choice. I like both.

  The Message Bible: "my breasts are full." Living Bible: "full breasted." Clear Word: "now I'm grown."
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  Does the Watchtower still print the "Kingdom Interlinear Translation" book?

  by Resistance is Futile in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it was last updated in 1985. does the watchtower still print it?

  could a jw place an order for one at the kingdom hall?.

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  I agree with Bobcat that "The Word Study Greek-English New Testament" by Paul R. McReynolds is the one to buy.

  It and the Kingdom Interlinear Translation, in my opinion, are the most useful of the bunch. Most of the other interlinears are of little use, compared with these two.

  I disagree with Bobcat, though, on the issue of Luke 23:43: I don't think the NWT Committee was obliged to follow the comma placement of the WH Greek Text. There was no punctuation in the original manuscripts, so WH used their theological judgment on that one, and the NWT Committee did the same. It is not a matter of dishonesty, it is a matter of interpretation. It is not unusual for Bible translators to deviate from the Greek Text they follow at times. It is standard practice. In many cases they acknowledge so with footnotes or other, like the KIT did at Lu 23:43.
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  Does anyone know who Ray Franz wrote this letter to? The date?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the letter (copy below) was submitted by pixies on 8/13/2006 on page 2 of link below:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/118479/2/a-fair-view-of-fred-franz-translation-abilities .

  here is some further observations by ray franz in response to a question regarding his uncle fw franz-s translating abilities:.

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  Wonderment

  Oops!

  Thank you SISTER!
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  Does anyone know who Ray Franz wrote this letter to? The date?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the letter (copy below) was submitted by pixies on 8/13/2006 on page 2 of link below:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/118479/2/a-fair-view-of-fred-franz-translation-abilities .

  here is some further observations by ray franz in response to a question regarding his uncle fw franz-s translating abilities:.

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  Wonderment

  Thanks jamiebowers!

  I appreciate your effort and response. God bless you brother!
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  Does anyone know who Ray Franz wrote this letter to? The date?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the letter (copy below) was submitted by pixies on 8/13/2006 on page 2 of link below:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/118479/2/a-fair-view-of-fred-franz-translation-abilities .

  here is some further observations by ray franz in response to a question regarding his uncle fw franz-s translating abilities:.

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  Wonderment

  jamiebowers:

  Excuse me, but I could not find the above letter in that link. What I did find was a heavy distortion of facts, and outright lies. That is not a reliable site at all.
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  Does anyone know who Ray Franz wrote this letter to? The date?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the letter (copy below) was submitted by pixies on 8/13/2006 on page 2 of link below:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/118479/2/a-fair-view-of-fred-franz-translation-abilities .

  here is some further observations by ray franz in response to a question regarding his uncle fw franz-s translating abilities:.

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  Wonderment

  The letter (copy below) was submitted by Pixies on 8/13/2006 on page 2 of link below:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/118479/2/A-Fair-View-of-Fred-Franz-Translation-Abilities

  Here is some further observations by Ray Franz in response to a question regarding his uncle FW Franz-s translating abilities:

  "... Fred Franz studied Greek for two years at the University of Cincinnati, with high marks, and continued his studies personally thereafter. One need only read the critical notes accompanying the New World Translation to see the extent of his knowledge of Biblical Greek and its grammar. He was self-taught in Hebrew. However, knowing him personally I am satisfied that he was capable of developing a thorough knowledge of the language. He was unusually mentally disciplined. He taught himself Spanish, a language I spoke in Spanish-speaking countries for nearly 20 years. While in Brooklyn, I associated with a Spanish-speaking congregation that he attended. I heard his use of the language both there and, previously, in Spanish speaking countries. Whether in conversational expressions or in public talks that he gave in Spanish I did not once hear him make a single grammatical error. He similarly learned Portuguese and gave talks in that language. He knew German from his childhood (his father having been born in Germany).
  
  On one occasion, while in Cincinnati, I took Fred Franz ( he himself did not drive) to a Hebrew museum which he knew contained a particular Biblical Hebrew manuscript that he wished to research. I stood alongside him while he read through the portions of the Hebrew text he wished to investigate. While working on the Watch Tower’s Bible dictionary Aid to Bible Understanding., on more than one occasion I had to seek out his assistance with reference to Hebrew renderings. He was always able to supply the needed information. In 1971, on a trip to Israel, we visited the Watch Tower’s branch office located in Haifa. A member of the staff there, Dalia Erez, a young Jewish woman, native to the country, did Hebrew translation of the organization’s publications. She spent part of one day discussing with Fred Franz certain translation problems she was experiencing and received his assistance and recommendations. She clearly found his knowledge of Hebrew solid.
  
  His knowledge of Hebrew was not equal to his knowledge of Greek and he was not an advanced or notable Hebrew scholar but his knowledge was sufficient to produce a creditable translation.

  Sincerely,
  
  Ray. (end quote) He seems generally miffed that so many people (usually dubious Evangelicals) incorrectly use his footnote in his book to state FW Franz had zero knowledge of Greek, or that he was wholly incapable of makng a translation.
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  A question for member "Pixies"

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pixies: some five years ago you posted a letter on the following subject:.

  "here is some further observations by ray franz in response to a question regarding his uncle fw franz-s translating abilities: [...letter...].".

  i would like to know if you or someone else here know who was the recipient of this letter.. i would appreciate any input on the matter..

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  Wonderment

  Pixies: Some five years ago you posted a letter on the following subject:

  "Here is some further observations by Ray Franz in response to a question regarding his uncle FW Franz-s translating abilities: [...Letter...]."

  I would like to know if you or someone else here know who was the recipient of this letter.

  I would appreciate any input on the matter.