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  New Translation Record as 13 Bibles Are Released in One Weekend

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
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  new translation record as 13 bibles are released in one weekend:.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/new-translation-record-as-13-bibles-are-released-in-one-weekend/.

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  A couple of observations could be made here from this WTS announcement.

  First, the Society, although obviously cutting expenses lately in many areas, this does not seem to hold true of the VIDEOS Department, and the Bible Translation projects. These still seem to be going forward at full speed.

  Secondly, as poster hoser noted above, not all these translations are of complete Bibles. However, if recent past WT translation practices are of any indication, we can expect them to finish their started projects in due time.

  Thirdly, what's monumental about these announcements, is that they are introducing Bible translations in rare languages, whether we agree with WT practices or not. Even religious adversaries can potentially benefit from these publications eventually, since they would have one more incentive to follow up with their own evangelical versions.

  For some of us, this may be irrelevant, but in other sparse languages any new publication added in their field is a big plus to their communities. The Divine Name (Is. 42.8) also gets further prominence, after being intentionally obscured by religious leaders for ages.

  And fourth, no matter how much WT adversaries disparage their translation efforts, the fact is that no other single religious entity -as far as I know- has gone-as-far as translating one single Version into other 200 languages, in whole or in part. For instance, by being the first to publish the complete English Bible in Sign Language, and now extending this effort into other languages.

  Now, if we could get the WTS to tame down their authoritarian structure, and be kinder to those holding other opinions, then we would not be so indifferent to the notorious WT legalistic ways.
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  New Translation Record as 13 Bibles Are Released in One Weekend

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new translation record as 13 bibles are released in one weekend:.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/new-translation-record-as-13-bibles-are-released-in-one-weekend/.

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  New Translation Record as 13 Bibles Are Released in One Weekend:

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/New-Translation-Record-as-13-Bibles-Are-Released-in-One-Weekend/
  
  
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  Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.

  remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.

  a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.

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  Thanks Vanderhoven7 for the interesting and useful quotes!
  
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  Which Bible Translation.....

  by BoogerMan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....is the best, in your opinion?.

  out of the numerous translations i've had/used, i can honestly state that the 2001 translation is head & shoulders above all the others i've ever consulted, imo.

  the publishers even invite suggestions/corrections to be submitted.

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  dropoffyourkeylee: "The WT produced and still has (on their app) a Greek Interlinear, but they have never produced a Hebrew Interlinear."

  I once asked Albert Schroeder if the Society had any intention in producing a Hebrew-English Interlinear, and he responded at the time by saying that there already was an excellent H-E Interlinear on the market. He was referring to the NIV Hebrew-English Interlinear Old Testament.

  But I suspect that Schroeder was justifying their lack of interest in producing their own WT Hebrew Interlinear since he hinted at the same time that the Old Testament was less of an area of controversy than the more ubiquitous and popular New Testament.

  Some may conclude the Society does not have anyone capable enough to tackle a Hebrew-English Interlinear, but I don't think this is the real reason for the lack of one. Actually, if history is any indication, when the Society sets their mind to it, they will find the way to get it done. The WTS recently published the COMPLETE NWT in modern Hebrew. This is no small task, and a rare one I might add, since there is only a small number of Witnesses in the land of Israel.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/israel/Complete-New-World-Translation-Released-in-Modern-Hebrew/
  

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations_into_Hebrew

  https://www.jw.org/he/%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%94/%D7%9E%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%90/nwt/%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/
  
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  Watchtower tweaks "religion" out of Samaritan parable

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower writing staff often tweaks the application of a scriptural lesson to their benefit.

  this can be seen in this recent article of theirs: .

  first, in their explanation of the parable, they do mention "religion" in the original setting (bold letters below): .

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  The Watchtower writing staff often tweaks the application of a Scriptural lesson to their benefit. This can be seen in this recent article of theirs:
  

  What Does It Mean to Be a “Good Samaritan”?

  First, in their explanation of the parable, they do mention "religion" in the original setting (Bold letters below):

  Jesus told the story to a man who thought that only people of his own race and religion were his neighbors. Jesus wanted to teach the man an important lesson—that he needed to expand his concept of “neighbor” to include more than just his fellow Jews. (Luke 10:36, 37) This account was included in the Bible for the benefit of everyone who wants to please God.—2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

  But then, when they apply this parable to the modern setting, they make a slight adjustment in their explanation, like so:

  The story teaches that a good neighbor demonstrates compassion by action. He or she responds to the needs of a person who is suffering—regardless of that person’s background, race, or nationality. A genuine neighbor acts toward others as he would like to be treated himself.—Matthew 7:12.

  The WT left the word "religion" out in the application of the illustration. Coincidence? Hardly! It's like they would rather not have their followers be "compassionate by action" to members of another faith, that is, to expand the concept of “neighbor” to include other religious people.

  What's your take on this?
  
  
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  Virtuoso classical duo guitar performances

  by Wonderment in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  “nothing is more beautiful than a guitar, save perhaps two.” — frederic chopin.

  that said, here are a couple of classical duo guitarists at their best.

  both guitar duos play with distinguished musicality:.

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  Queeqweg: "Thanks, I know Julian and John, but I'd never heard of Los Indios Tabajaras."

  The Brazilian Duo, Los Indios Tabajaras, were best known for their hit "Maria Elena" during the 1960-1970's. They mostly played pop music, but they also excelled on classical music, as manifested by their rendition of the two pieces above.

  Classical guitarists, Andrés Segovia, David Russell, & Manuel Barrueco are also known for their musicality, among others.
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  Virtuoso classical duo guitar performances

  by Wonderment in

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  “nothing is more beautiful than a guitar, save perhaps two.” — frederic chopin.

  that said, here are a couple of classical duo guitarists at their best.

  both guitar duos play with distinguished musicality:.

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  “Nothing is more beautiful than a guitar, save perhaps two.” — Frederic Chopin

  
  

  That said, here are a couple of classical duo guitarists at their best. Both guitar duos play with distinguished musicality:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1T53JUsiHs (Claude Debussy, Reverie, Part 6, by Julian Bream & John Williams - Together Again, Sony LP-1979)
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CibiVYkEonQ ("Varizione concertanti, Op. 130, by Julian Bream & John Williams - Together Again, LP_1974.)
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GyL5Wrhkn8 ("Gypsy Airs," Brazilian Duo: Los Indios Tabajaras. LP_1970 Recording.) Don't miss the final movement!
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEn8URnuDKc ("Flight of the Bumble Bee," Brazilian Duo: Los Indios Tabajaras. LP_1966.)

  Any opinions?
  
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  The Emphasized Bible - Now included in WT LIbrary

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the emphasized bible (rotherham) is now included in the wt library under "other bibles.".

  therefore it joins kit, kjv, asv, & the bible in living english in such group.. any thoughts?.

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  The Emphasized Bible (Rotherham) is now included in the WT Library under "Other Bibles."

  Therefore it joins KIT, KJV, ASV, & The Bible in Living English in such group.

  Any thoughts?
  
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  The Holy Spirit

  by Acer21 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if the holy spirit is an "active force", how can it be grieved (ephesians 4:30)?.

  in other words, according to the jw's, one can make jehovah's "force" sorrowful?

  this is an example of how the jw leaders have perverted the gospel in translation, and have put the jw's in a position in which they must perform intellectual gymnastics in order to maintain their false position.

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  It should be noted that the relative pronoun "ho" in the dative as in Ephesians 4.30 can be either masculine or neuter since they share the same form. However, the antecedent "the spirit, the holy" is in neuter, so the pronoun should be interpreted as neuter. Hence, the "which" instead of a "whom."
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  The Holy Spirit

  by Acer21 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if the holy spirit is an "active force", how can it be grieved (ephesians 4:30)?.

  in other words, according to the jw's, one can make jehovah's "force" sorrowful?

  this is an example of how the jw leaders have perverted the gospel in translation, and have put the jw's in a position in which they must perform intellectual gymnastics in order to maintain their false position.

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  Acer21 wrote: "The Bible provides many ways to help us understand that the Holy Spirit is truly a person—that is, He is a personal being, rather than an impersonal thing. First, every pronoun used in reference to the Spirit is “he” not “it.” The original Greek language of the New Testament is explicit in confirming the person of the Holy Spirit. The word for “Spirit” (pneuma) is neuter and would naturally take neuter pronouns to have grammatical agreement. Yet, in many cases, masculine pronouns are found (e.g., John 15:26; 16:13-14). Grammatically, there is no other way to understand the pronouns of the New Testament related to the Holy Spirit—He is referred to as a “He,” as a person."

  You make it sound like the Bible speaks of the holy spirit throughout. Not so. Please show us ONE text where it clearly states that the spirit of God is a person. Secondly, it is not correct to claim that "every pronoun used in reference to the Spirit is ‘he’ not ‘it.’" Actually, the Bible uses "which" or "that" in reference to the spirit. Take the text you quoted that leads you to believe that the spirit is a person, Ephesians 4.30. There it mentions the spirit being grieved, with or by WHICH (Greek: ho = neuter) Christians are to be sealed. Note that Paul used "which" not "whom." However, some popular translations show their religious bias by changing "which" to "whom." Logically, if Paul believed the spirit to be a person, he would have used "whom." Since the spirit emanates from God, Paul could well warn Christians not to grieve the work of the spirit within the congregation which is tantamount to grieving God himself.

  The exception of the above being John 15.26 and 16.13-14 which you noted. There Jesus personified the holy spirit as "a helper" to assuage their fear of being left alone after his departure. Jesus himself explained a few verses later that he spoke about the paraclete using a parable or comparison. Look at John 16.25.

  By the way, a Catholic publication lays claim that ‘the doctrine of the holy spirit being a person had its beginning in the Catholic church,’ not in the Bible.