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  Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

  if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

  if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

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  They will make subtle changes to the policies this will not be announced to the brothers and sisters only to the Elders. Announcing a change would be an admission that they were wrong, which they will not do. Since mandatory reporting only applies to some countries they will probably make changes through the branch for those countries.
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  Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

  by wwjdnwt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was born into this religion.

  i was a jw for well over 30 years.

  i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

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  When they announced they were changing the book study arrangement they said they had been considering it for 10 years. To me that means that they must also be considering other adjustments as well. They may know that certain things are actually false but put off changing them so as to not stumble some. That means that they will knowingly teach something that is false until they believe the timing is right to reveal new light. It is my opinion then that many on the GB may not feel that all the doctrines are correct even some of the core doctrines. One GB brother gave a talk at our circuit and he was talking about the end. He said we need to be close to the congregation, preaching etc. Then he said something strange he said that we had heard this before but do we still "Believe it to be true?" as he said that question he had a strange look on his face. It wasn't said in an encouraging tone, it was more like that was what was prepared for him to say although something else was on his mind. So in my mind their is no doubt that some GB members don't really believe Armageddon is coming at all. One thing I think they all believe is that being a JW is the best way of life, that they are happier and more fulfilled than other groups.
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  Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?

  by GodZoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.

  in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.

  possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.

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  Just have him read "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" and "Can We Talk To The Dead?" both written by Rutherford around that time. If he still believes God chose this organization to dispense truth to others then he is hopeless, move on to more productive activities.
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  Will the Watchtower ever turn against K-12 public education?

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was in school, you never heard about critical thinking skills...not till you started taking college level courses.. i work closely with the public education community.

  now, the big rage in public education is instilling critical thinking skills from kindergarten on up.. and i'm in texas!

  imagine what it's like in more liberal areas.. i would not be surprised if the watchtower started denigrating and discouraging public education (k-12).. it would likely start like this: .

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  I have some personal experience with this as i was home schooled for most of my life. There seemed to be two viewpoints that most JWs had about public education. One was that public education was just too dangerous and would teach kids the wrong ideas and involve them with bad influences. When I was growing up my parents also believed that the schools were failing to teach kids how to read and write properly. For those reasons I was enrolled in an alternative school. The curriculum was chosen by a teacher but the work was still done at home. Every few weeks we would go and turn in samples of what we had done and talk to the teacher about our progress, goals etc.

  Some people though viewed this as a way of sheltering kids from the real world and believed that kids should go to public school as a way to prepare them for real life. By going the home school route you avoid many of the things that can test a young persons faith. Things like birthdays, holidays, flag salute can all be avoided with home schooling. So I guess some felt it was better to test the young people by making them stand up to these things at early age. I know for me personally since I was never around worldly kids I didn't see what the big deal was about holidays and never really felt different from others because I had a core group of JW friends. I loved not going to school because I had so much free time that other kids didn't get to enjoy. Now though I can see that I was stuck in a JW bubble even at that age. I never was exposed to anyone who didn't believe exactly as I did. I never really learned to make friends, the friends I had were more by default than anything else.
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  Abusing the power of tears. Yet another sign of desperation

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i was seating at the meeting this past sunday.

  the latest wt article to be studied speaks of "using our imagination" to think about the blessings of the kingdom.

  the whole study was centered around how we can, and should, spent time visualizing ourselves in the new world, working along with our brothers.

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  They know that it is easier to get a reaction with video. The past two conventions have both featured emotionally charged videos about seeing dead loved ones. I hate seeing them because they hit some people I know pretty hard.
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  July 19th Watchtower Summary. Insanity

  by Lemonp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got back from the wt study and it overall was just so blindingly biased and leading.. i had to read it from the platform too, i hope they couldn't see the confounded look on my face as i read this craziness out!.

  first we consider the faith of abel, enoch, noah, abraham, isaac and jacob, and moses.. all of these people are held up as sterling examples of blind faith, with the article pointedly saying that their imaginations sustained their faith in gods promises for them.

  no mention anywhere at all that all of these characters saw and talked to angels, spoke to god himself, saw and performed miracles, or any of the other feats experienced by these characters.

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  And you would have to think that most of the people destroyed would be from cultures that have no belief in the bible or Christianity. So according to JWs someone who is born a into an entirely different culture with their own holy books/writings should drastically change their world view to conform to a western religion whose God they don't even recognize. What are the chances that someone born Hindu or Buddhist is going to give up everything they have ever known to follow a religion that rejects their culture and beliefs? So by virtue of being born in those cultures these ones are pretty much doomed according to JWs.
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  Did you know WTBTS applied for Holocaust compensation?

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  did you know that the wtbts applied for these compensation funds?

  i had no idea and if this has already been addressed then so be it.

  i find it interesting due to the fact that so much is made of the jws being in camps during ww2 and nothing else is expressed about the other millions who died in these camps.

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  If they actually receive compensation and don't donate any to the actual families that would be terrible PR for them.
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  Abusing the power of tears. Yet another sign of desperation

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i was seating at the meeting this past sunday.

  the latest wt article to be studied speaks of "using our imagination" to think about the blessings of the kingdom.

  the whole study was centered around how we can, and should, spent time visualizing ourselves in the new world, working along with our brothers.

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  Yes, those who have lost a loved one are always targeted for emotional manipulation. The idea of seeing a beloved relative again is strong. If an emotional reaction can be gotten it will strengthen their loyalty. Many are stuck because they don't want to lose that hope. They do the same to elderly ones who want to be young, people with disabilities and even those who simply desire friendship.
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  Did you know WTBTS applied for Holocaust compensation?

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  did you know that the wtbts applied for these compensation funds?

  i had no idea and if this has already been addressed then so be it.

  i find it interesting due to the fact that so much is made of the jws being in camps during ww2 and nothing else is expressed about the other millions who died in these camps.

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  Wait, so the fund would go to the WT or to the heirs of the family? If the WT is fighting for the heirs then that is a noble cause but it looks like they would also like a portion for their "education work".
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  Name "UNWRITTEN" Rules That JWs Are Supposed To Follow

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as with the scribes and pharisees, there are a number of unwritten rules that witnesses are supposed to follow.

  here's a couple : "worldly" kids in society depictions are shown quite often wearing their baseball caps backwards.

  jehovah's witness youths would not want to imitate that "look".

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  Oh, forgot one that many have been counseled about. If a couple is dating they should not sit together at the hall unless it is "serious" which to many meant the couple had to be engaged first. Never understood that one at all. I mean if they are dating they are obviously sitting together in other settings, so why not at the KH?