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  But where else should we go? Can you answer this question?

  by purrpurr in

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  having watched many jc youtube videos one question that gets asked is "where else would you go?".

  in other words if not jehovah's witnesses then what other religion or organisation would you go to?.

  it's one that i have trouble answering, what would you say?.

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  In other words if not Jehovah's witnesses then what other religion or organisation would you go to?

  I would say that I have a personal relationship with God and so it wouldn't matter where I go (even though I don't really believe that anymore). I would quote the scripture where Jesus said that we are to worship in spirit and truth and it didn't matter what physical place we were at. You could also quote the scripture where it says that whenever two or more are gathered in Jesus name then the spirit would be there also. Jesus never said anything about an organized religion at all.

  
  
  
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  For those that carry on as JWs secretly not believing.....

  by snare&racket in

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  my heart goes out for all people stuck in all high control groups, either with insight into the falsehood of their beliefs or none.. to remain a member whilst knowing it false however, must be soul destroying.. my question is, would you carry on living the lie if you discovered that we get one life, one go at existing.

  it's short, it's fragile and nobody in 100 years will care we even existed..... .......if you came to that realisation would you quit?.

  .......if you had children, would you leave in order to set them an example in strength and appreciation of the short time we enjoy?.

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  It is tough to bite your tongue with some of the ridiculous comments made by believing JWs. Even in casual conversations JWs will relate almost anything back to JW doctrines. It is tiresome but they are my family and friends. I realize that for them it will appear like I changed suddenly if start disagreeing with everything JW related. So sometimes I just try to give a slightly different viewpoint or point out something humorous. Over time I will reveal more but without dropping the apostate bomb on them. Soon they will get used to this as the new normal, hopefully. LOL
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  TOP 10 REASONS (Why JW's can't cope with the Real World

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  top ten reasons.

  (why) jehovah's witnesses can't cope with the real world____________________.

  the watchtower organization denies access to reality, substituting its own version instead.

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  JW_Rogue

  Great post, this goes along with the BITE model analysis really well.
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  Blondie's Highlights of the 7-17-2016 WT Study (Personal Decision)

  by blondie in

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  blondie’s highlights from the july 17, 2016 wt study (2016) (how do you make personal decisions?.

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/.

  excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

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  I read the article, it gives lip service to reading the bible and prayer. In the end though, they want you to research WT publications and do as they say. The bible may just have principles but WT is very happy to clearly define how to apply them to almost any situation. The article wants you to feel like you're making your own decisions when in reality you are following the WT.
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  What would you like to have known about JWs before deciding whether to get baptised?

  by slimboyfat in

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  if you could go back in time and tell yourself one thing about jws would you do it?

  and what would you choose to say to yourself?

  do you think you could have convinced yourself not to get baptised if you chose the right thing to say?

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  I think I knew everything that I could know, the problem was I was seeing the world through the eyes of a twelve year old boy. No matter how much knowledge you have at that age you are just not emotionally mature enough to make a life long commitment to anything. I always imagined that even if it wasn't 100% the truth that it would be "the best life ever," as the kids are saying now. Never did I imagine that my outlook about what is important in life would change or that the message of the organization would begin to feel like a heavy weight around my neck. That just reading WT articles would make feel like I was being manipulated and controlled for someone else's benefit. I guess sometimes you have to live it before you really understand what it's all about but by that point it's too late.
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  What JWs are saying about 2016 RC on social media

  by Sanchy in

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  since i'm only an "inactive", i still have plenty of jw friends on facebook and instagram.

  here's a few samples of what they are posting regarding the remain loyal to jehovah conventions (note some of my friends are spanish speakers):.

  what an amazing fulfilling day with these people .

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  I've been to a lot of conventions and by far this one was the most negative. Everything was about what we should and shouldn't be doing, lots of fear and manipulation. Only Sunday afternoon did they even try to bring out any hope for the future. Really toxic stuff this year.
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  Great Tribulation alert?: Russia signs new restrictions that bans almost all forms of religious preaching outside recognized churches.

  by redpilltwice in

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  this morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from dutch newspaper "trouw":.

  http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4716/christendom/article/detail/4337852/2016/07/11/rusland-verbiedt-thuiskerken-en-meeste-geloofsverkondiging.dhtml.

  to me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!

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  Or are you ok with child porn,, Warren Jeffs, honor killings and the speech and teachings that support these and other damaging religious teachings?
  Second, do you know anything about Russian anti extremist laws? When and why they were created? The patience Russian courts have exercised in applying those laws?

  Child Porn and Honor Killings are actual crimes and have nothing to do with free speech. I don't believe we should limit anyone's free speech even if their rhetoric is hateful. Unless they are making a specific credible threat towards a person or the government then they have that right under law. These ideologies aren't going to die because someone enacts a law prohibiting people from speaking about them publicly. Through awareness and education we can lessen the impact these groups have and keep them from growing. Eventually many of them will die out when it is seen that they are based on lies and are used to manipulate and control people.

  No, I have not examined the Russian laws or how they are applied through their court system. I only have 24 hours in each day, studying the laws of a corrupt dictatorship isn't on my agenda.
  
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  QUESTION: So who is the leader of the GB these days?

  by Black Man in

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  just wondering who is the de facto leader of the gb these days?

  when i was in, it seemed jaracz was the leader even though he was never officially the president of the wtbs.

  who is the leader of the gb 2.0?.

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  I think some of the new light is coming from Splane, he seems to enjoy the playing the intellectual role. Splane was the one that announced that they just "loved the idea" of the GB being the FDS. He also gave a talk for Bethel worship trying to explain how the FDS didn't appear until 1919. Of course he also did the infamous "overlapping generation" JW Broadcast. So he may be the one behind these new ideas.
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  Great Tribulation alert?: Russia signs new restrictions that bans almost all forms of religious preaching outside recognized churches.

  by redpilltwice in

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  this morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from dutch newspaper "trouw":.

  http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4716/christendom/article/detail/4337852/2016/07/11/rusland-verbiedt-thuiskerken-en-meeste-geloofsverkondiging.dhtml.

  to me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!

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  Russian anti- extremist laws are the future and the best hope for our specie's survival.

  You're joking, right? So curtailing free speech is going rid the world of terrorism and extremist groups? And what extremist group do you see as a threat to our "species survival"?

  
  
  
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  What was the point of the bunker video

  by Crazyguy in

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  they get caught by the bad guys at the end anyway, don't get what thier point is to the video?

  of course i haven't seen it all they way either.

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  The point of the videos is behavior modification, fear of the GT is just a motivator. Each segment is either a behavior they want to see more of like simplifying your life to give more to the org or something they want people to avoid because it could lead to fading away from the org. The GT scenario they present isn't based on any biblical passage it is just a "what if" scenario, they know even though it's just hypothetical JWs will run with the idea. They will think that "they must know something is going to happen soon," some in my family have actually said that. They ignore the fact that they have been saying that for decades.