But doing good has very little to do with it. God is going to destroy all those that don't believe in him/accept Jesus' sacrifice. So you could be the most saintly of people, yet you could still be on God's checklist for eternal destruction (and even torment).
He commands that we obey, believe in and even love him whole-heartedly, yet he leaves no actual hard evidence for his existance. The 'prophecies' that he has supposedly left are so incredibly difficult to calculate that you would have to be a mathematician and historian (having copious knowledge of many different areas of history) to even begin to attempt to understand them. Even then, many of the calculations done by highly educated people are argued over. No one can agree on a meaning or even the method that the meaning can worked out by.
And if you believe what you just said - that God doesn't want us all to understand so that he can test our true characters' - then why did God even bother to inspire Revelation? What purpose does Revelation and the prophecies contained in it serve? To simply confuse us? Is God playing games?
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1914 can be proved wrong now, using the same logic and reasoning, they missed a KEY POINT!
by EndofMysteries ini'm not saying i even agree with the current reasoning behind the 1914 date, but you can't argue that with jw's, but in my latest research and personal study, i ran into the kryptonite for the 1914 date.
right out of "bible topics for discussion" is "chronology" in which it states 1914 ce ends gentile times.
line of kingom rulers interuppted 607 bce ac 17:24, 25 7:48.
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The Flat Earth Society, why did it last so long ?
by wobble inthe flat earth society still exists actually as several sites on the net,some run by loonies, some a bit tongue in cheek.. the actual society was started in the early fifties by a strange guy who lived in dover,kent in the u.k. wiki has his story if you want more.. what surprised me was that it survived for years despite the obvious evidence for how wrong its ideas were.
the final tipping point came with the publication of photographs from space,showing a very sphere-like earth.
of course members of the society contended that the photos were faked , or "misinterpreted" .
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How about solid proof of life on other planets? Like a fossil or something. I'm sure a lot of Witnesses will hold to the idea that it's fake, but that'd start a lot of less fanatical ones questioning for sure.
Other than that, I don't know. The WTS has pretty much all bases covered. Unless the Society implodes itself I'm not sure if there's any evidence anyone could show them to make them change their minds. They can always fall back on the idea that everything in the world is Satan influenced and Satan is setting up hoaxes to get Witnesses to lose their faith, etc.
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Did you suffer from panic attacks in the borg?
by highdose ini can certainly say that i did and that i knew alot of others that did too.
i can also say that i don't any more, i left my panic attacks in the km!.
what about you?.
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Yes. I did.
I would get feelings of panic, being trapped and unbearable pent-up tension during every assembly and some meetings. Actual full on panic attacks with racing heart, shortness of breath, dizziness and faintness, I've only had a few, but all of them were related to the Witnesses. One particularly bad one, where I felt like I was going to pass out was after I'd had a massive arguement with my parents one the subject of Armageddeon. Another was after a book study where the elder made a horrific, graphic descriptions of people dying at Armageddeon with their eye-rotting out while they were still alive. Then he made a joke about it and everyone in the room laughed. I thought I was going to be sick and had a massive panic in the bathroom when I got home.
In my last few years as a Witness, I suffered with a lot of anxiety. I'd get so anxious, that some days I couldn't even bring myself to leave my own bedroom. Everything outside it just seemed to daunting. I had to call in sick to work many time just because I couldn't get out my own front door.Now I'm not a Witness I don't get any of that any more. I still get feelings of claustrophobia when I'm at the meetings, but now I know what they're teaching is all BS, I don't panic. :)
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Jehovah's Witnesses and the "Great Disappointment" on UK Television
by slimboyfat init's a shame those of you outside the uk probably can't view the following link:.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00qm86v/qi_xl_series_7_greats/.
jehovah's witness get a prominent mention at the start of a popular comedy quiz show here in the uk, hosted by stephen fry, called qi.
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Ha! Funny stuff! Stephen Fry = legend! I hope someone with rip this off the site and put it up on YouTube, so non UK peeps can see it.
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1914 can be proved wrong now, using the same logic and reasoning, they missed a KEY POINT!
by EndofMysteries ini'm not saying i even agree with the current reasoning behind the 1914 date, but you can't argue that with jw's, but in my latest research and personal study, i ran into the kryptonite for the 1914 date.
right out of "bible topics for discussion" is "chronology" in which it states 1914 ce ends gentile times.
line of kingom rulers interuppted 607 bce ac 17:24, 25 7:48.
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And why the frick would any loving, compassionate God make this most important of prophecies SO complicated to calculate and so hard to understand with so many human lives at stake!? It's ridiculous!
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To dubs and lurkers. The real truth about "apostates."
by parakeet inwe "apostates" here often wax eloquent about what baaaaadddddd people we are, mostly, i think, to shock the dubs that naively come here expecting to hear whitewashed dubspeak.
i admit, it's fun to bait dubbies from time to time with (mostly fictional) tales about debauchery and mayhem.. but maybe it's time for a reality check to let lurkers and dubs see what we have actually accomplished with our lives since leaving the wts and dubdom.
it would be good for them to see that we don't automatically turn into crackhead satan-worshippers who shoot dogs and spit on the pavement.. it's time to shine, fellow apostates!
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I feel I am a better, more stable, more confident, more caring person now I'm not a Jehovah's Witness.
When I was a Witness, I had a very selfish attitude. I worried only about myself and my family and, although I would help out other Witnesses when I could, I never even thought about actively helping anyone outside the "truth". What would be the point? They were all going to die at Armageddeon anyway, I reasoned.
It was only when I left that I realised what a selfish, self-absorbed life I had been living! I had an overwhelming urge to start making a positive difference. I started looking for volunteer work and getting actively involved in raising money for charity. Where, as a Witness, I'd only ever donated money to the Society, who used the money to either print more literature, or build more Kingdom Halls abroad, now I was donating to charities that were really helping people right now! I know many Witnesses view this kind of work as putting a plaster (or bandaid) on a dying world, but I see now that that way of thinking is just so negative and unhelpful. People are suffering now and they need help, not a tract, leaflet or book!
I'm not depressed or anxious anymore. In my last few years as a Witness I would get so anxious that some days I couldn't even bring myself to leave my bedroom and I'd get panicy and have to lock myself in the toilets for the whole day at assemblies. It got to a point were I was even considering medication, something I really didn't want to have to do. Thankfully I found a cure that didn't involve pills - I finally got the courage to visit those so-called 'apostate' websites, one of which was Jehovah's Witness Recovery and discover through research that I'd been living an illusion.
I'm planning to go to college and I'm planning lots of exciting holiday destinations!
I haven't started smoking, using drugs, having lots of premiscuous sex, stealing or cheating! My "worldly" friends are more loyal and devoted to me than any of my Witness friends ever were. I know I can tell my "worldly" friends anything and they won't judge me. They accept me for who I am (and I don't have to worry that they'll tell the elders on me if they think I did or said something wrong!).
If there are any active Witnesses reading this, I really hope they can see that the Society lies about what it's like outside the Org. They paint this picture of an awful, evil, completely immoral place wrapped up in an attractive looking package. I can tell you, from someone now on that outside, that simply not true. It certainly isn't all wonderful and rosy (nothing is!), but you don't have to be scared of it. There are so many great things out here and so many genuinely good, kind, loving people too, despite what the Witnesses will tell you. -
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I like shaved. A neat, precise little goatee is okay, but any more than that and it usually turns me off.
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Rock Opera! Got a Favorite?
by cameo-d in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vglkxd-boy&feature=related.
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double post. sorry!
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Rock Opera! Got a Favorite?
by cameo-d in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vglkxd-boy&feature=related.
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Your worst field service experience.
by littlebird inmy worst field service experience was this.. i didn't have a car at the time and so a pioneer sister was picking me up of service every couple of days.
she was my partner and i got a door where the woman was clearly not interested.
as i am stepping away the pioneer sister starts in with all the objection stoppers.
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Umm, probably my worst experience was when I was on the service with my Dad at age 8. We called on this woman and when she answered the door, this massive dog lept from her house snarling and went straight for my face! My Dad had to physically hit the dog and kick it back into the house, while the home owner did nothing and just stood there. Not even an appology from her afterwards! I can understand people not liking Witnesses now I'm on the other side of the fence, but allowing your visious dog to go for a little girl's face? That's just wrong!
When I was older, I was out on the service with this Polish girl who barely spoke a word of English. She tried to present an Awake about blood with a woman on the doors. The woman turned out to be a nurse who had seen a child die not long ago from refusing a transfusion and took all her anger out on us. She was totally hysterical. Neither of us knew what to say!