Posts by pixiesticks

i thought that never happened, but reading judges 11:30,31 looks to me like jephthat offered whoever greets him first as a "burnt offering", then when returning, his daughter is who greets him, she says for him to keep his word but let her mourn her virginity, after that, he keeps his vow.

i gotta look this one up.

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pixiesticks

Saying that she was offered a into Jehovah's service as a perpetual virgin instead of a literal burnt offering is pure, unfounded speculation. Yes, there are several instances in the Bible of children being rendered living into God's service, but not one of them describes this as "a burnt offering", only Jephthah's daughter is.

As far as I can see based purely on scripture, there are two options from a believing standpoint:

1) Jephthah did infact literally sacrific his daughter to God and God did not reject his propostal or stop him from carrying out the act.
2) God is an appaulingly bad writer and/or enjoys playing head-games with his "beloved" human creations and, although Jephthah's daughter was not literally sacrificed, he allowed the writing of the verses to heavily imply that she was instead of explicity stating otherwise.

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Which Futurama character do you relate to?

by dissed in

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warning:be advised this is a fluff piece.

it is not intended to be taken seriously (leec) if you are offended by fluff and other silly things, please feel free to go on to other, more serious and more intrigueing threads found on jwn, the number one jw discussion forum in the known universe.

futurama is an awsome show.

pixiesticks

Nibbler. Definitely. I even have the cape. :D

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April KM Question Box

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pixiesticks

double post. sorry!

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April KM Question Box

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pixiesticks

"Further, circulating transcripts or recordings of talks might tempt some to give or accept undue attention and honour."

Oh whatever! That is a flimsy excuse even by Watchtower standards. Undue honour to who anyway? The person doing the circulating or the person giving the talk? Maybe both.

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Don't ask questions

by linp24 in

several weeks ago, a witness poster said that the rank and file at his cong were told by elders not to ask questions.

i may have misunderstood what the poster was saying.

has anyone on the forum heard anything like this?

pixiesticks

*nods* Meetings and even bookstudies are not for asking questions or debating. A paragraph in the study article is read out, the conductor then asks the questions contained in the study article at the bottom of the page and the Witnesses have to answer the question using the paragraph that has been read out. Answers that deviate from the answer that the conductor is looking for are considered wrong and the conductor will ask the question again until a member gives the desired answer. It's a lot like a maths lesson in an Infants school.

Questioning is not allowed. I remember one time, a Witness made a point of correcting the conductor on a point during the actual study and he was reprimanded afterwards. Questions are to be reserved for after the meetings and/or studies and in private.

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Undermining confidence in the wonderful Borg

by leo999 in

hi , i need some help to convince someone that feels the problems all lie with people in our congregaions that are 'imperfect' , but that the fds and the wt are wonderful .

i am doing this over the net , and have sent articles on the spanish bethel .. has anyone any suggestions on subjects / info to undermine their view that all is rosy in the borg ?.

leo 999.

pixiesticks

I'm using the undeniable fact that the Watchtower lied, used many fallacies, misquoted and quoted out of context many scientists in the Evolution or Creation book as an 'in'. Not to mention the fact that the man that the Org hailed as a top evolutionary scientist in the book and heavily quoted from turned out to be nothing but a sensationalist tv script writer and paranormalist with no scientific qualifications what-so-ever.
I'm using this book because it's so undeniably poorly written that you can easily use it to show that the Org's books can't be relyed on as completely factual. I ask them "If this book can be full of so many mistakes, how can you trust that the rest of the Watchtower literature can be completely accurate?"

This is a great article that highlights all the book's faults.

http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/critical.htm

Witnesses seem to find it easier to accept that just one of the Org's books is inaccurate first of all, but it instills enough doubt sometimes that they can begin questioning a bit. Then I find showing them that the Org paid out $781,250 in a child abuse case ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798 ) shocks them, because they know that it's their donated money that paid for that. From there, you can go onto the Org's UN affiliation with their NGO status ( http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm ).

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Gideon--He Questioned Jehovah

by sd-7 in

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it is common, as a thought-stopping mechanism amongst jehovah's witnesses, to use phrases like "don't question jehovah" or "don't question the organization".

often, as evidenced in a recent watchtower study article, biblical examples are given like that of diotrephes, who opposed john in the first century, or korah, dathan, and abiram, who questioned moses' authority and were barbecued in the wilderness.

these are pointed to as examples of those who questioned jehovah and suffered condemnation or even death as a result.

pixiesticks

Thank you for this SD. I'll certainly be using Gideon as an example when I openly question docterine with Witnesses. This might be a good ice-breaking thought on the path to getting some of my Witness friends out.