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  dealing with religion after leaving the witnesses

  by joker in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i’ve noticed many people posting on this site seem to have completely given up on religion/spirituality.. but some have attended services at another religion, or just follow their own heart regarding what to believe.. my question is how does anyone deal after leaving with all of the witness crap that we believed about babylon the great, the great harlot, spiritual prostitute, etc., etc.

  i’m finding out that i seem to have built myself a pretty solid wall regarding religion.. some people can just chuck all beliefs into one basket saying that they are all basically garbage,,, and that is ok, no problem i respect that.. but for myself there is a certain part of my personality that needs a spiritual belief not like the witnesses in any way, but something to meditate on, and contemplate.. being a witness taught me how bad it is to actually think of god in any other way besides what the jw’s believe.

  and now when i attend any other service, the dark jw side seems to pop out and seriously makes me believe that everything i see/do/say is wrong.

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  cofty

  Hi Joker

  Do you think you need to hold supernatural beliefs in order to be "spiritual"?
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  cofty

  SBF & Ruby

  Would the resurrection of a dead body - dead, totally dead, brain dead, not frozen, really dead, dead for a week, stored in a drawer in the morgue - pose a theological challenge for JWs?
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  cofty

  SBF - There are more posts on this thread involving your attempts to derail it than there are posts dealing with the topic.

  According to WT doctrine

  • God infused Adam's body with an impersonal force called spirit.
  • This force is exactly analogous with electricity.
  • It comes exclusively from god the life-giver.
  • Since the animation of Adam, the principle has been life begets life.
  • JWs would never accept that scientists could perform a resurrection - the hurdle is not just technical but theological.
  • Likewise new life emerging from rocks without the spirit of life being given by the life-giver is a theological impossibility for WT dogma.
    
    
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  What Happens to Adam and Eve?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in jw theology, what happens to adam and eve?

  are they resurrected and become heirs to paradise on earth?

  or will they become two of the heavenly class?

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  cofty

  The JWs are wrong - Coldsteel

  You are kind of preaching to the choir are you not?

  Also when you ask a question and somebody posts detailed historical information you could not possibly have known without their help it's courteous to say thanks.
  
  
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  cofty

  neshamah= breath not spirit. so no ethereal force in the way you mean is called for in JW doctrine regarding life - Ruby

  " the spirit is the force that brings our body to life. Also, like electricity, the spirit has no feeling and cannot think. It is an impersonal force." - Bible Teach Book
  

  So just to review, you assert the WT do not teach that the spirit is a force.

  The latest Watchtower publication on the topic says IT IS AN IMPERSONAL FORCE.

  JWs have always taught that god infused Adam's body with an impersonal "life-force" called "spirit". This force is exactly analogous with electricity. It comes exclusively from god the life-giver. Since the animation of Adam the principle has been life begets life.
  

  For this exact reason JWs would never accept that scientists could perform a resurrection. The hurdle is not just technical but theological. Likewise new life emerging from rocks without the spirit of life being given by the life-giver is a theological impossibility for WT dogma.

  These facts are among the most basic of all JW doctrines.

  you'd be better off focusing on...

  You would be better off focusing on facts.
  
  
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  Self Delusion

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  once upon a time there was a "kiai master" who trained his students how to knock people over - no touch - with purely the power of his chi.

  how he came to think he actually had telekinetic powers - or how his students became accomplices in his self delusion - i have no idea.

  but he was so convinced he could actually do these things he issued a challenge and put up $5,000 for any martial artist who could beat him.

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  The first few minutes of the video reminded me of the psychological trick that TELevangelists use called "slaying in the spirit".

  I remember one man who just stood and looked at the preacher and despite numerous attempts he refused to play along and fall down. Priceless!

  I believe stage hypnotism works in a similar way.
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  Call for Judicial Hearing by signed letter

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm quite surprised about the new approach of some local congregation brothers respect about my fade.... funny, ilegal and very dangerous in view of the different laws regarding personal data and minorities in spain and in the eu.... i already organized a press meeting with main newspapers in spain.

  many has shown interest in this situation.

  the fact of that a parallel judicial system do exist is amazing them.

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  SAHS - There is no judicial unless there is a confession or two witnesses.

  They have made the mystery sister open to a legal charge if libel if the adultery did not happen.
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  Mouthy's Funeral (video)

  by mouthys_other_granddaughter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for those interested, this is the video of mouthy's (grace) funeral from september 8, 2016. https://youtu.be/yvmiwo0ycds.

  thanks again everybody for the kind words about her - she will be sorely missed by our family as i know she will be by many of you too!

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  cofty

  Thank you very much for sharing this.

  Love and best wishes to all your family. x
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  cofty

  Jws literally believe that god made Adams body out of clay and then infused it with an ethereal force called spirit. What could possibly be more irrational or anti scientific?
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  cofty

  jws emphasize rationalism in their ideas about spirit and soul

  You literally could not be more wrong.

  You live in a world unfettered by facts.