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William Miller
by lepavoux in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
" this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!

!.
cofty

vienne - Is it fair to say that Miller was one of many Millenarians of that time and that he had an influence on Russell? Who would it be accurate to identify as the source of the Millenarian movement?
I'm putting those books on my xmas list.
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How do JWs view the Ransom?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..
cofty

Vander - JWs don't see themsleves as culpable sinners as other xtians do. The imagine their only real problem is 'inherited sin' which was all Adam's fault.
Jesus' death buys back the value of that first perfect life and by proxy all of Adam's offspring. (Don't go down the rabbit hole of who paid what to whom, it leads nowhere) This wipes the slate clean up to the moment of baptism. All previous sin can be neatly filed under 'imperfection'. But from the moment of baptism JWs must now prove themselves worthy of salvation through good works - specifically through loyalty to the organisation.
They see no distinction as regards the ransom in relation to anointed or otherwise apart from the weird idea that anointed are declared righteous, whereas the other sheep are declared 'relatively righteous' - a bit like being a little bit pregnant. (I'm not making this up)
Russell taught that Jesus' death bought back the life of Adam who would be resurrected. Everybody else was unborn in Adam's 'loins' when he sinned so we were redeemed also - I think Russell was a preformationist. Rutherford cancelled that declaring Adam beyond the pale and changed it so that it was not Adam that was redeemed but the value of Adam's perfect life.
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Does Anybody Here Sympathize With The Looters That Cause Destruction?
by minimus in
1. jw
2. friends
i realize some here are diehard democrats.

whether you are democrat, republican or independent, do you support any of these looters that cause mayhem and destruction for their cause?

i have heard some people sympathize with these law breakers saying they understand why they do what they do and leave it at that.. of course i wonder how they would feel if their own property was burnt or stolen or destroyed..
cofty

George Foreman?
Didn't he box and then later make healthy fryers? He dead?
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5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale
by usualusername1 in
1. jw
2. friends
i had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.

price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.

am in shock.
cofty

They got £4.5 million for it.
Built with volunteer labour and flogged to Islam to compensate victims of JW pedophiles.
If the thousands of JWs who laboured to realise this dream in the 80s had only known.
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How do JWs view the Ransom?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
looking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..
cofty

See the opening paragraphs of this article for an explanation of how the explanation of the Ransom changed from Russell to Rutherford.
According to a mainstream Christian Jesus died for our sins. According to a JW Jesus died to exchange the value of his perfect life for the life Adam forfeited by his sin.
The concept of vicarious punishment has been lost.
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Jehovahs witnesses named and shamed for refusing to join redress scheme in australia
by UnshackleTheChains in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
https://youtu.be/gdvf3t2r7bg.
cofty

It was uploaded to YouTube on 1 July
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What is Causing This Sudden Increase in Crime / Racial Tension???
by RubaDub in
1. jw
2. friends
yes, there has been crime as long as we can remember.

under 8 years of obama, there was crime.

under 8 years of bush the younger, there was crime.
cofty

Race-baiting by the rise of the far left.
What has been going on in academia for decades is reaching the real world.
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By What Authority Do you Teach?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i am in earnest.

i will not excuse; i will not equivocate;.

i will not retreat a single inch.
cofty

Just like all of us Joen you have one life.
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By What Authority Do you Teach?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i am in earnest.

i will not excuse; i will not equivocate;.

i will not retreat a single inch.
cofty

Christianity is about God given faith and trust in Christ. Some have it, some do not
Stop trying to make a virtue out of a vice.
Believing things on the basis of inadequate evidence is nothing to celebrate.
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Noah's Ark : A structure that could never have been built in Noah's day
by RULES & REGULATIONS in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the ark encounter located in kentucky (opened in 2016) is a large representation of noah's ark based on the genesis flood narrative contained in the bible.

it is 510 feet (155 m) long, 85 feet (26 m) wide, and 51 feet (16 m) high.. .

genesis 6: 14 so make yourself an ark of cypress[c] wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out.
cofty

Pyramids were impossible too - RTN
Eh??
I guess the question will not be answered definitively - BB
It has been answered beyond all doubt there was no global flood, no boat that could hold a zoo and no we didn't descend from a single family 4000 years ago.
Joan - you just cherry-pick all the least embarrassing bits of the bible and pretend the rest is just a metaphor. Is there anything left to take literally?