Posts by cofty

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Firstborn of all Creation - What does it refer too?

by JW Answers in

the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.

however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..

cofty

JWA and I have had a useful exchange of PMs to 'clear the air'.

I accept that he wants to help JWs and especially those who are studying with them to realise that the Watchtower is wrong. When debating a JW it's not unreasonable to start from a working assumption that the bible is the word of god and then show that the organisation has misinterpreted it.

However my issue is that the ministry headed by JWA takes the bible literally and wants to attract new recruits to a form of evangelical christianity. In my opinion - as an ex-jw and an ex-evangelical - this is to substitute one cult for another.

I would like to start a new thread on this topic soon. JWA has agreed to take part when he has time.

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Firstborn of all Creation - What does it refer too?

by JW Answers in

the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.

however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..

cofty

Thank you. I have replied.

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Firstborn of all Creation - What does it refer too?

by JW Answers in

the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.

however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..

cofty

Your talking to somebody who was a born-again, saved evangelical christian for 9 years after leaving the Watchtower. Eventually I exchanged faith-based thinking for an evidence-based worldview. In retrospect I see your literal interpretation of the bible as just another cult.

Phrases like 'I can see there are no fruits of the spirit there' and 'what a terrible testimony' just make you look silly.

Could it be, that I could have possible another account, and just don't use the Pseudo name of "JW Answers" to answer questions asked?

Having 2 accounts simultaneously is against forum rules. It can easily be checked by comparing ISP addresses.

People whose lives have been affected by the WT cult need to be encouraged to focus on building a new life. Finding friends, education, careers, family and recreation. They do not need you to try to entice them into a new cult.

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Watchtower Trolleys With Added Bling

by cofty in

my wife and i were in edinburgh on saturday (did a ghost tour) and around dusk we passed two trolleys on the high street — aka 'the royal mile' — that both had two rows of led lights under the little shelves.

has anybody else seen this or is it a local innovation?

i'm happy to report their pimped-up trolleys were attracting no attention as usual.

cofty

That's amazing Atlantis!

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Firstborn of all Creation - What does it refer too?

by JW Answers in

the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.

however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..

cofty

So your not going to keep your promise to engage in actual dialogue then.

Just for your info I have a really busy life. But it's late evening here in Northumberland and by the sound of your accent it's pretty late in weegieland too. I'm watching TV and working on a project on my laptop with this forum open in another tab.

This video is a help to those who are still studying

The way to help those who are studying with JWs is NOT to debate the minutiae of esoteric NT theology. Ex_Jws are in the best position to help potential JWs, not those who just want to replace one cult with the cult of fundamentalist evangelical christianity.

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Firstborn of all Creation - What does it refer too?

by JW Answers in

the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.

however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..

cofty

Yeah we know — prototokos.

You do know you are talking to EX-JW experts in the bible and Watchtower theology don't you?

Last year you said — I am not here to "plug" my videos and run lol. I have interacted in this forum before, and do not have a problem interacting with others and discussing the scriptures... I will try and comment after the New Year on this website to keep active. It is good to discuss the scriptures, and I for one am not shy in doing so, therefore my reason to apologise publically. (sic)

Despite requests in recent weeks for actual conversation it turns out you are nothing but a hit-and-run apologist.

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Watchtower Trolleys With Added Bling

by cofty in

my wife and i were in edinburgh on saturday (did a ghost tour) and around dusk we passed two trolleys on the high street — aka 'the royal mile' — that both had two rows of led lights under the little shelves.

has anybody else seen this or is it a local innovation?

i'm happy to report their pimped-up trolleys were attracting no attention as usual.

cofty

My wife and I were in Edinburgh on Saturday (did a ghost tour) and around dusk we passed two trolleys on the High Street — aka 'The Royal Mile' — that both had two rows of LED lights under the little shelves.

Has anybody else seen this or is it a local innovation?

I'm happy to report their pimped-up trolleys were attracting no attention as usual.

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Believing Everything That You Hear

by minimus in

jw
friends

you would think exjws would be on the lookout for anything said by people...the news media, politicians, actors that might sound suspicious or questionable.

it seems like some people just will never learn how to be discerning..

cofty

I think it's a problem with motivated reasoning.

When people hear things that reinforce their beliefs they ask 'Can I believe this?' When it contradicts their worldview they ask 'Must I believe this?'

If people invested the time to really understand why they do or do not support issues they would have less need to grasp fanciful excuses.

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Out of the mouths of PIMOs

by dubstepped in

new episode twenty five - daniel is a pimo jehovah's witness.

pimo – \pee-moe\ noun – short for physically in, mentally out, a person held captive to the cult of jehovah’s witnesses because although they are awake, to let others know would cost them everything they’ve ever known.

they stay in physically to keep spouses, family, friends, the only social structure that they’ve ever been allowed to have.

cofty

Long format is the real value of online media. If some people have the attention span of goldfish too bad.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

cofty

and that culture changes through time

I'm going to resist the obvious open-goal and go to bed.

Bye