Posts by Quillsky

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Some things that we APOSTATES keep getting wrong. We need some FRESH IDEAS!

by nicolaou in

just my opinions of course;.

money:.

a common attitude among ex-jw's is that the watchtower will face collapse only when the money dries up - i disagree.

Quillsky

Reform the disfellowshipping policy and everything will change. The threat of shunning is currently the evil force that holds the whole thing together.

"Just leaving" is simply not an option for many people because of the huge family and social implications, problems completely manufactured by the Watchtower Society.

So....... if shunning were to end (or at the very least, shunning for stopping being a JW, or what they call "apostasy") then yes, a huge percentage would leave, I think.

Reformists could sell the three-fold advantage to the org:

1. Sure, many will leave, but those who stay will be there out of free will and not fear, leading to a healthier religion.

2. "Apostates" and opposers will bug them less.

3. Divided families will be healthier once they're allowed to communicate once again.

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The Bruce Willis Face

by sabastious in

jw
friends

little something i just made after i saw the poster for the new bruce willis movie:.

the bruce willis face.

-sab.

Bethel Rules

by brotherdan in

this was brought up just in passing on another thread.

but i wanted to see if there are any bethelites or ex bethelites that remember some of the crazy rules we had to follow when we were there..

Quillsky

A classic thread, with many horrors. Thank you to all for sharing with us.

I found Brotherdan's comment the most interesting, and moving, of all......

I want to clarify something about Bethel to everyone.

I do not regret my time there. It was a special place in many ways. Most of them are special in a bad way. I was able to see the "heart" of the organization and I know what goes on there and the fictional image that they create about themselves.

But at the same time, I met some extraordinary people there. I met people from all over the world. I met people from Malawi that had suffered in a way that a human should never be made to suffer. I met women that had been raped for their faith. I met people that had to watch their entire family butchered before their eyes while they stood firm in their faith. I met people that gave up their comfortable homes, money, lifestyle, etc... to live in a 3rd world country because of their faith. I met people that had been tortured beyond belief because they would not give up what they believed in. That was the benefit of Patterson. It's the hub of all things missionary.

What is so sad is...what did they suffer for? Did they suffer for true faith? Or did they suffer needlessly? Did they get raped because of a policy of 10 men sitting in an air conditioned office?

While I do not agree with the leadership, I have true love for the people that have gone through these things. I think that's why I get sensitive on this site (as many of you know and will attest to). There are some people that are so blind and lost...but they aren't evil people. They are strong of character and even strong of mind. But they are lost because of the demon inspired guidings of this organization. It makes me sick. I wish I could force them out. But I can't. These kind and loyal men and women are stuck. I can only hope and pray that they will someday see the truth and come out.

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The Bruce Willis Face

by sabastious in

jw
friends

little something i just made after i saw the poster for the new bruce willis movie:.

the bruce willis face.

-sab.

Quillsky

A technicality but......

In Face/Off he had The John Travolta Face.

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Can Spanish people recite the alphabet???

by asilentone in

jw
friends

i met a fairly intelligent spanish woman today at starbucks.

she also looks good, i taught her to do abc's (fingerspelling-sign language) her first language is spanish, she knows some pretty good english, but needs some more improvement on her english skills.

she does not know abc's that good.

Quillsky

Mmmmm. I use rabbit in mine, when I can get it.

Yummy, get your rabbit here......

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the purpose of this thread is to tell everyone on this board who i am and why i am so different.. first of all, i have already apologised on another thread for posting zero drivel topics here.. i am a 29 year old male, born-in, baptised in 1998, df'd in 2003 for fornication, reinstated in 2008. i want to make it clear that i have never been a ms. after my reinstatement i continued to attend meetings with the same cong.

but moved to another cong.

earlier this year, reason being, the continued shunning by some hardcore self-righteous publishers.. i am still with the same cong until now, i go to meetings regularly, including taking part as well as giving bible reading talks.

Quillsky

I think AGBM is a good guy. Haven't read all his posts or threads, but I think he's trying to be honest here, and his usernname is FUNNY!!

Jeez guys. Ease up a bit.

Best wishes

Chillsky

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For those who saw flaws in Watchtower doctrine and left. Why do you not apply the same standard of examination to your current beliefs?

by nicolaou in

i know that many left because of a lack of real love or for other personal reasons.

i would never belittle those reasons for exiting, they are as valid as any other, but if that describes your situation then perhaps this topic might not apply so much to you.. i left the watchtower because i came to realise the doctrine was flawed.

i was in my mid 30's before my mind begin waking up and i started to develop basic critical thinking abilities.

Quillsky

For those who saw flaws in Watchtower doctrine and left. Why do you not apply the same standard of examination to your current beliefs?

Nicolaou. Is this a serious question?

Why should I even have a current belief? I simply don't believe in the need for a belief.

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Can Spanish people recite the alphabet???

by asilentone in

jw
friends

i met a fairly intelligent spanish woman today at starbucks.

she also looks good, i taught her to do abc's (fingerspelling-sign language) her first language is spanish, she knows some pretty good english, but needs some more improvement on her english skills.

she does not know abc's that good.

Quillsky

So the outcome of all this discussion...... has anyone concluded for sure whether Spanish people can recite the alphabet?

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Is there a new 'rule' about disfellowshipping which can make it null and void?

by whitman in

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friends

firstly, if anyone involved in this situation is reading this i hope i haven't overstepped the boundaries by raising this question here.

i'll try to keep it as anonymous as possible.. so folks this is the situation.

it has just been brought to my attention that during some type of shepherding call to a a disfellowshipped person who is experiencing serious mental illness as a result of the situation and the shunning from his family (his father is an elder), an interesting twist of events occurred.. one of the 'shepherding' elders asked the d.f-d person whether they had prayed and dedicated his/her life fully to jehovah before the baptism.

Quillsky

The WT is treating this like a legal contract.

Indeed.... isn't it a bit insane that having your body put underwater for a second is considered the (quasi-legal) equivalent to putting your signature to paper?

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Is there a new 'rule' about disfellowshipping which can make it null and void?

by whitman in

jw
friends

firstly, if anyone involved in this situation is reading this i hope i haven't overstepped the boundaries by raising this question here.

i'll try to keep it as anonymous as possible.. so folks this is the situation.

it has just been brought to my attention that during some type of shepherding call to a a disfellowshipped person who is experiencing serious mental illness as a result of the situation and the shunning from his family (his father is an elder), an interesting twist of events occurred.. one of the 'shepherding' elders asked the d.f-d person whether they had prayed and dedicated his/her life fully to jehovah before the baptism.

Quillsky

My thoughts: either you're the elder or you're the son, but most likely the elder and father. Surely you can see that even by having to ask this question it's clear you're in a cult?

Grab this son and love him, don't hate him. God.