Again, thank you for your responses!
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Will Armageddon Survivors Be Able to Marry?
by Expanded-Mind inhi blondie!.
thirteen years ago you commented on an idea circulating among some jws prior to 1975, that there was a possibility that armageddon survivors might not be able to marry.. "these vows that honor god are used—not from the bible but the only ones sanctioned by the wts.. for as long as we both shall live together on earth according to god's marital arrangement.. when i was in my 20’s, many jws interpreted this to mean that at some point in the 'new system' marriage would end.
since this was shortly before 1975, many jws rushed to get married worried that they would never have the chance (and never have the chance to have sex.
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Will Armageddon Survivors Be Able to Marry?
by Expanded-Mind inhi blondie!.
thirteen years ago you commented on an idea circulating among some jws prior to 1975, that there was a possibility that armageddon survivors might not be able to marry.. "these vows that honor god are used—not from the bible but the only ones sanctioned by the wts.. for as long as we both shall live together on earth according to god's marital arrangement.. when i was in my 20’s, many jws interpreted this to mean that at some point in the 'new system' marriage would end.
since this was shortly before 1975, many jws rushed to get married worried that they would never have the chance (and never have the chance to have sex.
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Thanks to all of you for your responses!
I had seen the references to the possibility of some resurrected ones marrying, but my question is specifically in regard to SURVIVORS of Armageddon.
It appears that iwantoutnow and truth_b_known had both heard similar ideas floating around the JWs. It is probably true that there was nothing clearly stated in the publications. This idea may have been started by some speaker veering from the script. But, what I find interesting is that there were others from the '70s that heard this same line of thought.
Again, thank you all for your thoughts... much appreciated!
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Will Armageddon Survivors Be Able to Marry?
by Expanded-Mind inhi blondie!.
thirteen years ago you commented on an idea circulating among some jws prior to 1975, that there was a possibility that armageddon survivors might not be able to marry.. "these vows that honor god are used—not from the bible but the only ones sanctioned by the wts.. for as long as we both shall live together on earth according to god's marital arrangement.. when i was in my 20’s, many jws interpreted this to mean that at some point in the 'new system' marriage would end.
since this was shortly before 1975, many jws rushed to get married worried that they would never have the chance (and never have the chance to have sex.
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Hi Blondie!
Thirteen years ago you commented on an idea circulating among some JWs prior to 1975, that there was a possibility that Armageddon survivors might NOT be able to marry.
"these vows that honor God are used—not from the Bible but the only ones sanctioned by the WTS.
for as long as we both shall live together on earth according to God's marital arrangement.
When I was in my 20’s, many JWs interpreted this to mean that at some point in the 'new system' marriage would end. Since this was shortly before 1975, many JWs rushed to get married worried that they would never have the chance (and never have the chance to have sex.)" https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/124683/comments-you-will-hear-11-26-06-wt-review-honorable-weddings
I was also influenced by this idea.
You indicate it was based on the wedding vows that imply that there might be a time when marriage would not be an option. And that seems to ring a bell with me.
However, is there ANYTHING in the publications that supports this... at all? I am writing something about this and would like to, if possible, show a Watchtower quotation or reference. I have searched and am coming up short.
Thanks for any help you can be!
Best,
ExpandedMind
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Fifty Years Since Stonewall
by Expanded-Mind inheroes come in all shapes and sizes.
from their depictions in ancient myth (that are brought to life on the silver screen in modern retellings) to the less-sensational, yet stirring biopics of sometimes seemingly mythical, but actual flesh and blood persons who have helped shape our world, there is certainly no shortage of heroic women and men.
chances are, however, that it is the unsung hero that has likely had the most impact on our lives.
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Hi Vidiot!
Sadly, but very importantly, you point out other serious issues many have with the current Trump Administration. This presidency has been disturbing on so many levels.
Have a good rest of the day!
ExpandedMind
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Fifty Years Since Stonewall
by Expanded-Mind inheroes come in all shapes and sizes.
from their depictions in ancient myth (that are brought to life on the silver screen in modern retellings) to the less-sensational, yet stirring biopics of sometimes seemingly mythical, but actual flesh and blood persons who have helped shape our world, there is certainly no shortage of heroic women and men.
chances are, however, that it is the unsung hero that has likely had the most impact on our lives.
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Cofty,
Hi! I somehow feel you are going way beyond the scope of the original post. All we seem to be doing is talking past each other. The point of my original post and subsequent comments is that there is a need to continue the fight for LGBTQ acceptance and equality in the United States. And I believe the sad evidence shows there is such a need.
I have no doubt you are in full support of the acceptance of and equality for the LGBTQ community. Let’s not split hairs about who should be in which group. We are all HUMANS and, everyone, no matter if straight, intersex, transgender, gay, bisexual, gay or queer, deserves to be respected, safe and have the same legal protections.
Have a good evening!
ExpandedMind
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Fifty Years Since Stonewall
by Expanded-Mind inheroes come in all shapes and sizes.
from their depictions in ancient myth (that are brought to life on the silver screen in modern retellings) to the less-sensational, yet stirring biopics of sometimes seemingly mythical, but actual flesh and blood persons who have helped shape our world, there is certainly no shortage of heroic women and men.
chances are, however, that it is the unsung hero that has likely had the most impact on our lives.
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I posted my earlier post from another computer and it appears to have cut off some of my post, so I am going to repost (I don't see how to edit my original):
Hi, Cofty and/or LoveUniHateExams!
Thanks for getting back to me.
I understand that things may be different in other countries; the focus of my post was primarily equality in the USA.
Here are some of the things that indicate the fight for equality and acceptance is still a work in progress (at least in the USA):
• A majority of states don’t have explicit laws prohibiting discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodations. – ACLU
• The number of hate crimes motivated by anti-LGBTQ bias has remained relatively steady, from a high of 1,256 in 2010 to a low of 1,097 in 2014. Since 2014, the total number has increased every year. – NBC News
• Trump’s administration started rolling back two controversial legal provisions related to the Affordable Care Act: protections against discrimination based on gender identity, and based on the termination of a pregnancy. – The Atlantic
• The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law. – The New York Times
• The United States Supreme Court has allowed President Donald Trump to enforce his policy of banning certain transgender people from the military. – BBC.com
• There has been concern that the Trump administration might try to have judges put in place that could potentially overturn marriage equality in the USA. According to Snopes.com: “Donald Trump lamented the Supreme Court's Obergefell v. Hodges decision during a Fox News appearance and suggested that strategic Supreme Court appointments could overturn that ruling”.
There are certainly other issues other than those represented above. And although the issues may have evolved over the years since Stonewall 1969, there is still a need, at least in the USA for true equality under the law. That is why recently:
“lawmakers from both chambers of Congress launched yet another attempt, introducing the Equality Act of 2019, a sweeping measure that would ban discrimination in areas ranging from housing to public accommodations (a realm that includes public bathrooms as well as bakeries, two areas of recent contention). – Time.com
As I’ve already stated, no one is denying that things have changed in significant ways since Stonewall 1969 and I for one am grateful for this. But, there is still a fight for acceptance and equality, at least in the United States.
Both of you have a good week!
ExpandedMind
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Fifty Years Since Stonewall
by Expanded-Mind inheroes come in all shapes and sizes.
from their depictions in ancient myth (that are brought to life on the silver screen in modern retellings) to the less-sensational, yet stirring biopics of sometimes seemingly mythical, but actual flesh and blood persons who have helped shape our world, there is certainly no shortage of heroic women and men.
chances are, however, that it is the unsung hero that has likely had the most impact on our lives.
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Hi, Cofty and/or LoveUniHateExams!
• A majority of states don’t have explicit laws prohibiting discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodations. – ACLU
• The number of hate crimes motivated by anti-LGBTQ bias has remained relatively steady, from a high of 1,256 in 2010 to a low of 1,097 in 2014. Since 2014, the total number has increased every year. – NBC News
• Trump’s administration started rolling back two controversial legal provisions related to the Affordable Care Act: protections against discrimination based on gender identity, and based on the termination of a pregnancy. – The Atlantic
• The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law. – The New York Times
• The United States Supreme Court has allowed President Donald Trump to enforce his policy of banning certain transgender people from the military. – BBC.com
• There has been concern that the Trump administration might try to have judges put in place that could potentially overturn marriage equality in the USA. According to Snopes.com: “Donald Trump lamented the Supreme Court's Obergefell v. Hodges decision during a Fox News appearance and suggested that strategic Supreme Court appointments could overturn that ruling”.
“lawmakers from both chambers of Congress launched yet another attempt, introducing the Equality Act of 2019, a sweeping measure that would ban discrimination in areas ranging from housing to public accommodations (a realm that includes public bathrooms as well as bakeries, two areas of recent contention). – Time.com
As I’ve already stated, no one is denying that things have changed in significant ways since Stonewall 1969 and I for one am grateful for this. But, there is still a fight for acceptance and equality, at least in the United States. -
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Fifty Years Since Stonewall
by Expanded-Mind inheroes come in all shapes and sizes.
from their depictions in ancient myth (that are brought to life on the silver screen in modern retellings) to the less-sensational, yet stirring biopics of sometimes seemingly mythical, but actual flesh and blood persons who have helped shape our world, there is certainly no shortage of heroic women and men.
chances are, however, that it is the unsung hero that has likely had the most impact on our lives.
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Cofty and/or LoveUniHateExams:
Hi! I ask this sincerely: In what sense is the fight for acceptance and equality over, in particular, in the United States?
Would either of you mind expounding on that thought?
In spite of some remarkable progress made over the past fifty years, this statement, to me, seems to be at odds with current experiences of many who are LGBTQ.
I’d appreciate hearing your reasoning on this. Thanks!
ExpandedMind
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Fifty Years Since Stonewall
by Expanded-Mind inheroes come in all shapes and sizes.
from their depictions in ancient myth (that are brought to life on the silver screen in modern retellings) to the less-sensational, yet stirring biopics of sometimes seemingly mythical, but actual flesh and blood persons who have helped shape our world, there is certainly no shortage of heroic women and men.
chances are, however, that it is the unsung hero that has likely had the most impact on our lives.
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Hi, Cofty... sadly, this does not appear to be the case, at least not in the United States. In my opinion, under the Trump Administration, there has been a constant fight to undermine LGBTQ rights, in spite of Trump’s campaign promises to be a friend to and support of the LGBTQ community.
This Administration has actually been attempting to roll back protections that LGBTQ Americans already have, including preventing those who are transgender from serving their country in the military. There are some who fear that this administration may fight to reverse marriage equality in the United States. Here’s a detailed list compiled by GLAAD (Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation):
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Fifty Years Since Stonewall
by Expanded-Mind inheroes come in all shapes and sizes.
from their depictions in ancient myth (that are brought to life on the silver screen in modern retellings) to the less-sensational, yet stirring biopics of sometimes seemingly mythical, but actual flesh and blood persons who have helped shape our world, there is certainly no shortage of heroic women and men.
chances are, however, that it is the unsung hero that has likely had the most impact on our lives.
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Heroes come in all shapes and sizes. From their depictions in ancient myth (that are brought to life on the silver screen in modern retellings) to the less-sensational, yet stirring biopics of sometimes seemingly mythical, but actual flesh and blood persons who have helped shape our world, there is certainly no shortage of heroic women and men. Chances are, however, that it is the unsung hero that has likely had the most impact on our lives. And for many of us, but sadly not all, those first heroes might be our mothers and fathers or other guardians, who first lovingly nurtured us.
As we grew from infancy and expanded our horizons by venturing out into the world, through school and other social functions, we found that the heroes in our lives increased; there were teachers, athletes, musicians, or other artists who held that honor. As we got even older, there may have even been heroes who had a more spiritual or political influence in our lives (I am reminded, with a smile, of Alex P. Keaton’s near worship of President Ronald Reagan on “Family Ties”).
Each of these heroes filled a need for a specific time in our lives. And regardless of whether they were fictional or real, they all had something in common: the ability to inspire, each in their own unique way, helping us muddle through the trials and tribulations (and sometimes just the mundanity) of life.
Fifty years ago this month, an event occurred that changed the course of American, even world, history. A group of women and men, patrons of the Stonewall Inn, and their supporters, engaged in a protest that would come to symbolize the fight against oppression and discrimination that had been the lot of those identifying as gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or queer. June, known by the LGBTQ community as “Pride Month,” celebrates the collective contribution these brave heroes embarked on in the infancy of this fight for equality. Their protests, induced by chronic police raids on establishments that catered to the gay community, including the Stonewall Inn, were admittedly far from peaceful. But these heroes had reached the tipping point. Reacting to what they viewed as injustice, they echoed the words of Popeye of cartoon fame: "That's all I can stands - I can't stands no more!"
It wasn’t solely at the Stonewall Inn that these heroes had to face oppression and discrimination. Sadly, for most, it was a daily occurrence, happening in their families, their workplaces, their places of worship, and from the government. “Don’t tell,” rather than “don’t ask, don’t tell,” was likely how these heroes who had been silenced by societal and legal norms managed to live day-to-day. Many Americans have never had to face such dire circumstances.
Still, the fight didn’t end fifty years ago… it is ongoing. And contrary to some commentary, no person that is LGBTQ wants more protections or rights than their straight brothers and sisters. They seek the same legal assurances so that:
· They can live their lives authentically, be themselves and love whomever they love, without fear of verbal or bodily harm.
· They no longer have to fear being denied housing, being fired from employment or losing healthcare benefits. MERELY FOR BEING WHO THEY ARE.
I am deeply indebted to those patrons of Stonewall and their supporters, as well as the multitudes of other brave women and men who, prior to and after Stonewall, have risked their freedom (and sometimes their lives) to live authentically. Because of these heroes, the world I inherited is a bit more tolerant, accepting and safe. But, as we know from daily news headlines, the fight is far from over: There is a long struggle ahead in this fight as we seek equality for all.
“It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.”
― Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience
Todd AKA ExpandedMind
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