I agree, Tornapart. I think we have all been at doors with Witnesses who didn't read the cues and pressed on, leaving us squirming. I worked with a particularly dogmatic and argumentive brother many times; on one occasion the householder opened the door and said, "If this is about religion, I'm not interested." The brother with me said, "No, it's not religion" and then started with his little sermon. The householder, understandably, got pissed off and told us to leave. As we walked away, I asked this brother, "Why did you say you weren't talking about religion?" His answer, in the best Rutherfordian way, was: "It's not about religion. It's about the Bible."
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Shy JW at the door ... the pain of it
by MrMonroe insomeone tweeted today: "a jehovah's witness who is shy to people at the door.
those few words paint such a sad picture.
how many jws with little self-esteem and self-confidence, particularly born-ins who have never known anything different, are sent out into neighbourhoods to knock on the doors of strangers and speak to them, knowing the householder resents them being there?
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STEVEN UNTHANK... Please come answer some questions...
by cyberjesus in1.- ?.
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i think those are fair questions..... .
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MrMonroe
Shepherd, your comments are really quite contemptible. The daily lists exist as court dates approach. There is no need for them after the court appearance. I have seen the cases listed on the government websites. I think people who suggest this was all a fabrication or a hoax are low-lifes.
Unthank went public, just as Barbara Anderson and Bill Bowen did. It's a pretty gutless response to start sniping at them from anonymity. They all felt strongly about the issue and decided to do something. What have you done?
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You may be a jw if.....
by just Ron inyou may be a jw ........if you spent last saturday traped in a car with at least 4 other people you may be a jw.. if you have sat through a sheparding call where you were told you are unworthy you may be a jw.. if you have alienated your worldly relatives with your preaching you may be a jw.. if you have ticked some one of buy knocking on their door on one of their religous holidays you may be a jw.. if you think the governing body is goods direct channel you may be a jw.. if you have no clue when this system is going to end you may be a jw.. .
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If you go out to dinner with work colleagues and excuse yourself to go to the bathroom when you think they're going to clink glasses ... you may be a JW.
If you make yourself absent at work when a birthday card comes around for signing ... you may be a JW.
If you fumble for an answer when a shop assistant asks you, "So, have you done all your Christmas shopping yet?" ... you may be a JW.
If you get stuck in a furious thunderstorm and wonder if it's Armageddon ... you may be a JW.
If you hear of a big earthquake and think, "another sign of the last days!!" ... you may be a JW
If you "love" your "friends", yet despise them for their hypocrisy, judgmentalism and nosiness ... you may be a JW.
If you feel guilty for sleeping in on a Sunday, or taking the family to the beach on a Saturday morning .... you may be a JW.
If you say no to a charity collector because "only Jehovah can save the world's problems" ... you may be a JW.
If you decide that maybe God is taking far too much of your time these days, and you don't see why you should have to write down a number of at least "two" each month to tell him how much you're doing for him ... you may be a JW.
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Classic Doublespeak--- "You must do your own thinking; let the WTS tell you how"
by pharmer ineducation teaches you how to think.propagandists tell you what to think.true educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion.
propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion.many times their true motives are hidden.
they sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others.
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There's a lot of truth there.
"True educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion . Propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion."
Indeed.
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Steven Unthank: What do we really know?
by SweetBabyCheezits ini'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
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MrMonroe
Acknowledge the mistake? For supporting someone who wanted to carry on a fight when the state wouldn't?
Barbara is not accountable for everything Steven does. She supports his campaign and thinks he's a pretty courageous guy. So do I. Do I agree with everything he says or does? No.
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Steven Unthank: What do we really know?
by SweetBabyCheezits ini'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
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MrMonroe
Unkind, slimboy. Unthank has stuck his neck out for the good of all. His judgment may not be the best on some things, but he is well intentioned and has achieved much in drawing the attention of authorities to the WTS's contempt for the law.
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Steven Unthank: What do we really know?
by SweetBabyCheezits ini'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
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MrMonroe
Barbara, you are not the enemy. This thread shows that many people are concerned about what Steven has done in the last day or so, but I don't see anyone calling him an enemy. Stop being so melodramatic.
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Steven Unthank: What do we really know?
by SweetBabyCheezits ini'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
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MrMonroe
James Woods, the Director of Public Prosecutions did take it seriously. My reading of his final letter is that, as with any criminal case, they have make an assessment of whether a case is worth proceeding with on the basis of the likelihood of gaining a conviction.
This case hinged on religious ministers failing to get WWC checks if they were legally obliged to do so. The DPP must have believed it would be too hard to prove that some individuals regularly work with unrelated minors. Who would give evidence if they denied those charges? And who can prove that the Governing Body gave a direction to the local elders to defy the law?
The Justice Department has already said they have been in regular contact with the WTS in Australia reminding them of their obligations. The letter to Victorian congregations may be seen as a reasonable result. Tying up the courts with a case that was unlikely to be won was probably seen as a waste of public money.
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Steven Unthank: What do we really know?
by SweetBabyCheezits ini'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
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I have no doubt at all that Steven is well-intentioned. Various government departments have been very patient and co-operative throughout this saga. But could it be that his tendancy to embroider these issues is what has prompted those government officials to back away from him?
I've said it before on this forum: by the time a JW gets to the point of leaving, they are often damaged goods. I know I was: consumed by anger and bitterness and a sense of betrayal, as well as a feeling of humilation at having been conned and manipulated. It may be that Steven's excesses (if they are such) are a manifestation of that. We have all dealt with it in different ways.
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Talking Points for when Witnesses Come to your Door
by truth_b_known ina few weeks back i came home from work and found the latest copies of the watchtower (armageddon fearmongering) and awake!
(social media site nonsense) lying on the counter.
it was obvious witnesses had stopped by the house.
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Terry:
1. Jehovah's Witnesses? Hmmmm, isn't that the religion that predicted Armageddon in 1975? Oh? Are you SURE? Could you find out for me why so many people tell me that? Something must have happened or I wouldn't have heard it.
(Witness pulls out Reasoning From the Scriptures, thumbs to pg 136, and reads, "Jehovah's Witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets. They have made mistakes. Like the apostles of Jesus Christ, they have at times had some wrong expectations." Closes book, continues, "Do you have an alarm clock? Then let me give you an illustration ...")
Throwing the 1975 prediction at a JW zombie wouldn't faze them a bit. They may be aware of it (though it was almost 40 years ago. How old is your average doorknocker?) They are probably not aware of the 1925 "expectations", or what Russell said were the reliable promises about 1914 and 1988. And really, they just don't care. They are not interested in finding out more, because to them the Watch Tower Society IS Jehovah.
This is a religion that keeps using the analogy of a weather forecaster who keeps getting predictions right (using biblical examples of "correct" predictions but also sweeping the nutty WTS date calculations into that basket as if that's one God just got wrong). They keep using Matthew 7:15-20 about the good fruit vs rotten fruit, ignoring the fact that their predictions are ALL rotten and their manipulation and control and emotional blackmail of their followers is a perfect example of rotten fruit, nothing like the way Jesus dealt with his followers.