Oh Plankton,
Once you change a few words in the bible then the door is open to change 'em all until it really does say what you want it to say.
won't you ever learn?
dc
Posts by TTWSYF
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723The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
by theMadJW inhttp://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.
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How and Whom Forms The Great Apostasy?
by wannabe inhow and whom forms the great apostasy?.
is it not true, that for one to apotasize from the true faith, he/she would have to have first to have fully known the truth of the bible; such as in the case of judas iscariot who deliberately betrayed the master knowing full-well what he was doing?
would it not also be true, for any of the twelve apostles, had they have followed the lead of judas, it could be said of them, that they had apostasized?
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TTWSYF
The idea that there was an apostasy is quite common among groups that have limited history [hello Mormons and JWs]. Lots of 'look around and you can see', but never any proof. There is plenty of proof that there was no apostasy though....plenty.
dc
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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
by theMadJW inhttp://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.
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TTWSYF
oh Plankton, won't you ever learn?
warmly,
dc
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Most annoying quotes you are going to hear from JW's
by XPeterX insomething like: "would jesus do that/go there?
" i tell them: "would he own a luxurious bmw or mercendes?".
what are some quotes/expressions invented by jw's that really pissed you off?.
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TTWSYF
I'm fond of a few that my brother and his 'converters' throw at me like....
'That's polishing the brass on a sinking ship' - reply to the use of Catholic orphanages and hospitals
'Lying for the truth' - That's wrong on so many levels
'That's because it doesn't agree with your mental taste' - on biblical interpretations that were so off the wall that I had to protest.
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"Jesus did not die on the cross" (Gunnar Samuelsson)
by Titus in"jesus did not die on the cross" .
a new doctoral dissertation in theology from gothenburg university claims that the bible has been misinterpreted when it comes to how jesus died.
gunnar samuelsson who wrote the dissertation has studied the original texts and sees no explicit references to crucifiction.
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TTWSYF
Mary, Leolaia [ can I call you Leo?], PSacramento, notacaptive, madsweeny, titus and many others. Great posts....sorry, I started posting before reading all the pages, so I see that I restated some earlier points.
Some of the threads on this site I could never get enough time to read, but all these posts are well worth the time. Thanks all!
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"Jesus did not die on the cross" (Gunnar Samuelsson)
by Titus in"jesus did not die on the cross" .
a new doctoral dissertation in theology from gothenburg university claims that the bible has been misinterpreted when it comes to how jesus died.
gunnar samuelsson who wrote the dissertation has studied the original texts and sees no explicit references to crucifiction.
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TTWSYF
More evidence supporting death by cross is found in Ezekiel 9:4,6 when God himself commands that the Tau be placed on the foreheads of the righteous. This is 8 verses after Tammuz worship is condemned [Ez8:14].
2 other early Christian writers [Tertullian and Origen] considered this to be a prefigurement of the cross of Christ.
Tertullian said 'In all our travels, in our coming in and going out, in putting on our clothes and our shoes, at table, in going to rest, what everemployment occupies us, we mark our forhead with the sign of the cross' The Chaplet [De Corona].
Any evidence at all to support a torture stake has never been found....aside from WTS publications.
respectively,
dc
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If Samuelsson Is Right about Crucifixion All Lexica Need Revision
by Titus inif samuelsson is right about crucifixion all lexica need revision.
last friday gunnar samuelsson successfylly defended his thesis "crucifixion in antiquity: an inquiry into the background of the new testament terminology of crucifixion" at gothenburg university (supervisor samuel byrskog).
the external examiner erkki koskenniemi professor of abo university, finland, was drastic in his opening when he said that "if gunnar samuelsson is right, then all lexica will need revision on this point.
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TTWSYF
I'll just repost this from another thread
More evidence of Jesus dying on the cross can be found from the church fathers.
St. Irenaeus and St Justin Martyr {both considered as Christian leaders by WTS-Should you believe in the Trinity pg7}, both confirm that Jesus did not die on a torture stake.
Irenaeus said 'The very form of the cross, too, has 5 extremities, 2 in length, 2 in breadth, and 1 in the middle, on which [last] the personrests who is fixed by the nails' Against Heresies 2:4:24
Justin Martyr explains that Moses outstretched hands were actually a prefigurment of Christ on the cross and continues on cross construction 'For one beam is placed upright....and the other beam is fitted on to it' . Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 90, 91
The evidence of a cross is there to see.
respectfully,
dc
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"Jesus did not die on the cross" (Gunnar Samuelsson)
by Titus in"jesus did not die on the cross" .
a new doctoral dissertation in theology from gothenburg university claims that the bible has been misinterpreted when it comes to how jesus died.
gunnar samuelsson who wrote the dissertation has studied the original texts and sees no explicit references to crucifiction.
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TTWSYF
More evidence of Jesus dying on the cross can be found from the church fathers.
St. Irenaeus and St Justin Martyr {both considered as Christian leaders by WTS-Should you believe in the Trinity pg7}, both confirm that Jesus did not die on a torture stake.
Irenaeus said 'The very form of the cross, too, has 5 extremities, 2 in length, 2 in breadth, and 1 in the middle, on which [last] the personrests who is fixed by the nails' Against Heresies 2:4:24
Justin Martyr explains that Moses outstretched hands were actually a prefigurment of Christ on the cross and continues on cross construction 'For one beam is placed upright....and the other beam is fitted on to it' . Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 90, 91
The evidence of a cross is there to see.
respectfully,
dc
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"Jesus did not die on the cross" (Gunnar Samuelsson)
by Titus in"jesus did not die on the cross" .
a new doctoral dissertation in theology from gothenburg university claims that the bible has been misinterpreted when it comes to how jesus died.
gunnar samuelsson who wrote the dissertation has studied the original texts and sees no explicit references to crucifiction.
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TTWSYF
Can I repost my earlier reply from another thread?
According to the WTS - Stauros means an upright stake, or pale in Classical Greek.
The problem with this is simply that Classical Greek hadn't been spoken for centuries before Jesus Christ was born unto Mary.
In Koine Greek [the new testament is written in Koine Greek which is Hellenistic] stauros means an upright stake with a cross beam above it, or two intersecting beams of equal length, or a vertical, pointed stake.
If Christ was killed on just an upright stake the writers of the new testament would probably have used the word Skolops.
Further evidence against the torture stake idea can be found in John 20;25 when Jesus is discribed as having prints of the nails in his hands. There is no evidence at all that Christ was killed on a stake, but plenty of art depicting Jesus on a cross. Additional archaeological evidence to support the crucifixion has been unearthed in the city of Herculaneum where a whitish stuccoed panel shows the imprint of a large cross, probably metallic, that had been removed...Before it are the remains of a small wooden alter charred by the lava from the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in 79A.D. It seems almost impossible that the details of his death could have been lost so soon after his death.
respectfully,
dc
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If Samuelsson Is Right about Crucifixion All Lexica Need Revision
by Titus inif samuelsson is right about crucifixion all lexica need revision.
last friday gunnar samuelsson successfylly defended his thesis "crucifixion in antiquity: an inquiry into the background of the new testament terminology of crucifixion" at gothenburg university (supervisor samuel byrskog).
the external examiner erkki koskenniemi professor of abo university, finland, was drastic in his opening when he said that "if gunnar samuelsson is right, then all lexica will need revision on this point.
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TTWSYF
According to the WTS - Stauros means an upright stake, or pale in Classical Greek.
The problem with this is simply that Classical Greek hadn't been spoken for centuries before Jesus Christ was born unto Mary.
In Koine Greek [the new testament is written in Koine Greek which is Hellenistic] stauros means an upright stake with a cross beam above it, or two intersecting beams of equal length, or a vertical, pointed stake.
If Christ was killed on just an upright stake the writers of the new testament would probably have used the word Skolops.
Further evidence against the torture stake idea can be found in John 20;25 when Jesus is discribed as having prints of the nails in his hands. There is no evidence at all that Christ was killed on a stake, but plenty of art depicting Jesus on a cross. Additional archaeological evidence to support the crucifixion has been unearthed in the city of Herculaneum where a whitish stuccoed panel shows the imprint of a large cross, probably metallic, that had been removed...Before it are the remains of a small wooden alter charred by the lava from the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in 79A.D. It seems almost impossible that the details of his death could have been lost so soon after his death.
respectfully,
dc