Xanthippe, Thanks for the correction on the right book and author. This is not the type of thing that can be proven as far as we know. There seems to be so much circumstantial proof to me.
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32JWs And Near Death Experiences
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JWs And Near Death Experiences
by Cold Steel in[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>normal</w:view> <w:zoom>0</w:zoom> <w:punctuationkerning /> <w:validateagainstschemas /> <w:saveifxmlinvalid>false</w:saveifxmlinvalid> <w:ignoremixedcontent>false</w:ignoremixedcontent> <w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext>false</w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext> <w:compatibility> <w:breakwrappedtables /> <w:snaptogridincell /> <w:wraptextwithpunct /> <w:useasianbreakrules /> <w:dontgrowautofit /> </w:compatibility> <w:browserlevel>microsoftinternetexplorer4</w:browserlevel> </w:worddocument> </xml><!
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TTWSYF
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There is a doctor who had so many people having these NDE that he wrote a book.This is probably the closest thing that I know of that would be documented proof.
Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife
There is also the Near Death Experiences Research Foundation that has many documented cases.Food for thought. Also worth mentioning that a number of Muslim NDEs report seeing Jesus in their vision.
Just saying that it is interesting reading.
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Have we been affected by a "cult"?
by stuckinarut2 inhere is a great list of questions that help identify if we have been affected by a cult..... does any of it sound familiar?.
this has been taken from an interesting and informative site called:.
as a general outline we use the following criteria that defines a cult or mind control situation:.
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TTWSYF
Good questions that don't mention the WTS directly.
May work for a recent convert. but will not make a diff to any hardcore JW
just mho
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JWs And Near Death Experiences
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TTWSYF
This is a topic that I have researched about (on the internet) in the past. I disagree that it is a brain issue [either from dying or oxygen depravity]. Why I state that it is not in our head is because there have been numerous examples of people knowing what others were doing around or near them while they were unconscious or otherwise not privy to someone else's conversations or situations. Yet many of these people wake up knowing things that they could not have known.
I have read of people having these near death experiences being in hell or heaven or just with loved ones. The other thing that I have found is that many also state that their experience was very Christian oriented. Meaning that they were aware of a savior that most agreed [no matter what their faith] that this savior was a Christ like figure.
That said, I think it is entirely possible that many of these people are full of it. Anyone could say "I saw a light and felt loved and etcetc'
Just my humble opinion
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Sick to my stomach
by Ghiagirl inwho do these people think they are!
?i have only been on this site for a couple months, and dealing with all the reactions of jws to my being removed as a publisher(for the second time) and my husband being df'd.
lucky for me i have 2 sets of grandparents that still support my life whatever i do as well as some aunts uncles and cousins.
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TTWSYF
Ghiagirl I'm so sorry to hear of the trials that you and your husband are going thru. I admire your strength to do the right thing for your child.
Sick to your stomach? Absolutely!
I'm not a JW, but my brother and his family are; and I worry about his grandchildren now and how they won't have a chance at a productive life. Just all waiting for God's judgement. What an awful existence.
You MUST do something to change that course and you have. I'm so sorry that it comes with these conditions, but you are doing what is true and right imho.
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Questions about Non JWs attending a JW baptism
by TTWSYF ini attended my brother and sister in laws' baptism at a kingdom hall a number of years ago.
i was [am] not a jw so when i arrived i was bombarded with attention from the flock to which i politely stated that i was there to see my brother and his wife.
it seemed like the distraction was intentional.
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Questions about Non JWs attending a JW baptism
by TTWSYF ini attended my brother and sister in laws' baptism at a kingdom hall a number of years ago.
i was [am] not a jw so when i arrived i was bombarded with attention from the flock to which i politely stated that i was there to see my brother and his wife.
it seemed like the distraction was intentional.
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TTWSYF
Thanks One Eye and Confuzzle. I guess I have become a bit cynical against the WTS on ALL matters. I wonder why....ok, no I don't
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Questions about Non JWs attending a JW baptism
by TTWSYF ini attended my brother and sister in laws' baptism at a kingdom hall a number of years ago.
i was [am] not a jw so when i arrived i was bombarded with attention from the flock to which i politely stated that i was there to see my brother and his wife.
it seemed like the distraction was intentional.
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TTWSYF
Hello all,
I attended my brother and sister in laws' baptism at a kingdom hall a number of years ago. I was [am] not a JW so when I arrived I was bombarded with attention from the flock to which I politely stated that I was there to see my brother and his wife. It seemed like the distraction was intentional. I had my camera to take pics because my bro told me how important this was to him [I was unaware of the WTS policies at the time]. I was NOT able to get pics for them because of how much the cong had kept my attention until after the baptism.
My question is this. Was that an intentional ploy to keep me from witnessing the invalid baptism? I ask this because JWs are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and God's spirit directed org.
Just asking if this rings a bell with anyone
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Happy Easter!
by J-DUBBED inyes a big happy easter to all the ex j-dubs........and to all those that want to be ex j-dubs.
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TTWSYF
If I may add a happy Easter to those who love those who don;t know ttatt yet -
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Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?
by EndofMysteries infrom so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.
i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.
to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.
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TTWSYF
adjusted knowledge: Though I think credentials are important and add weight to a person's argument, I also think a well read person with life experience is just as qualified
I disagree. Although it can be true. The problem is that where are they getting their reading material? Is it an accredited source of information? Matt Damon was well read in that movie {good will hunting], in that rare case, Matt was just as qualified [or perhaps more so] than his Harvard U neighbors. Usually being well read in things like WTS biblical history does not qualify a person as being well read. Sorry, a degrees in any particular field by a legit source is the best way to go if you really want to know.
imho