Posts by TTWSYF

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The Real Reason why the WT predicted Armageddon in 1975

by OrphanCrow in

i am of the opinion that the wt doctrine is influenced more by external factors that it is by internal ones.

one of the doctrines that has puzzled me for some time is the armageddon prediction of 1975. why would the wts make this prediction?

what was their real purpose?.

TTWSYF

Membership drive that never ends. My thoughts are that the reason to "stay alive til 75" is the same reason that there were all those failed dates from the early 20th century. The same reason that they claimed the 20th century would be the last before Armageddon. The same reason that they speak of generations from 1914 and etc, etc.

It's a membership drive. Everything they do is for a membership drive. Join now or you won't be saved.

My elder brother goes to a local prison every week to gain membership only. No visiting for anyone who has no interest in the WTS, potential members only.

JWs who do not believe the end is near still promote it as a way of theocratic warfare [aka-lying for the Truth]

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Is changing the "truth" / presenting "new light" really so bad?

by Zana in

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playing devil's advocate here.... what's the difference between the gb changing bible interpretations compared to parliaments all over the world changing laws?

although the us constitution (=bible) remains untouched, congress passes i don't know how many new laws every year.

and of course people are expected to follow them.

TTWSYF

HEB 13;8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

MAL 3;6 I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

so, I guess that is a strike against the WTS policy of changing doctrine to fit their timing and membership drives.

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CHRISTENDOM is doomed...........

by The Searcher in

..........according to these wtbts's literature quotes:god’s word is heavy with doom, announcing christendom’s imminent destruction; .

christendom is a fake "kingdom of the heavens" and is full of badness; .

christendom, professing love for jesus, actually rejects him; .

TTWSYF

Finally! After some 150 years of talking, the end is finally at hand.

30,000 plus forms of Christianity and that guy Russell was the only one who got it right. Doing everything that a true Christian should. Doing everything that Jesus instructed and commanded us to do.

I for one, am so relieved!

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Jehovah`s Witnesses Boasted They have No Clergy Laity Class ?

by smiddy in

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well that`s what was impressed on me to differentiate between the true religion and false religion , when i was converted in 1960 , do they still claim that ?

believing that they still do , i will say this.. what about ,:the governing body who definitely are set apart from the rank and file for their attitude towards the r&f , but also from the attitude of the r&f towards the governing body members.many do seem to idolise gb members by their actions , and the gb members dont seem to discourage that.. and not only for their attitude , how about their life-style , being housed in bethel with all the mod -cons of modern civilization as opposed to a r&f member living in a third world country .does the wt society do anything to make their lifestyle improve ?

{ did jesus have a place to rest his head ?

TTWSYF

The obvious truth is that the WTS is just another religion started by a person. One person decided to start his own religion. Exactly like the other 30k other sects of Christianity.

How do you know that there is no authority in their teachings?

answer-their fruits. Witnesses have NO fruits what so ever. Great people who are God fearing, but you'd find that in every faith. It's the lack of fruits which make the WTS un-authoritative.

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Best one liners

by Chook in

at kh my typical response to the lords of brooklyn .

can you pray for me?.

remember me when you get into your kingdom .

TTWSYF

You don't paint the rooms of the titanic

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How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

by slimboyfat in

we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

TTWSYF

Some of my observations include

1] Overwhelming commitments by the org itself prevent some from having the time to research truth. And may make folks too tired to research.

2]Total and overwhelming love bombing about the org lets others feel ok about guilting anyone who has the inclination to research the truth.

3]And this is the most important in my mind, the [liminal and subliminal] teaching or training of shutting down mentally whenever any negative thought about the org enters the mind.

This happens to everyone on the org, and simple knowing the truth about the truth [TTATT] is not enough. You must remove observation 3 before you can acknowledge the truth.

My elder brother [like many posters] would say that Jesus quote "' you know a tree by its fruit' and the JWs are the only ones going door to door restoring the true name of God"...you all know the line, But when I told him that going door to door was a work and not a fruit he could only reply over and over that "those are fruits, those are fruits."

No dear brother, those are not fruits and you need to address observation #3 before acknowledging that works are not fruits because then, very quickly, you would see that there are no fruits and you never would have joined or been baptized in the org or anything else org related.

TTWSYF

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JW claims of having the most accurate translation of bible

by StarTrekAngel in

is is true at all?

if so, are there any independent sources who have asserted this claim?

who did the translation?.

TTWSYF

NWT is not accepted as a legit translation by any scholastic organization.

The NWT is a Watchtower version of the holy bible. It is not a translation as much as it is a version.

Some say that all bibles are biased, but the truth is that the bible is a catholic book. They confirmed what was to be included and excluded. It's their book and if you want to know about that book, you should go to the source as JWs have only 150 years of bible experience and the church that created it has 1700-1800 years of keeping and maintaining the scriptures.

Sorry if you don;t like the truth..... lol

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Jesus (if he exists) has a heart of stone - a saga about the hurt of children in his church.

by fulltimestudent in

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jesus is supposed to care for little children.

mark 10 is often quoted to illustrate his concern.. mark 10:13-16niv.

the little children and jesus13 people were bringing little children to jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them.

TTWSYF

Well, I like eggs. I like fried eggs, scrabbled eggs, poached eggs, french toast and pancakes too

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The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures argues for more than one GOD

by smiddy in

gen.1:26 "and god went on to say "let us make man in our image according to our likeness.....etc,etc,.. the key words here are "us" and " our" ,he is including other life forms just like him in using plurals.. he did not say " i" will make man in "my" image ,using the singular vernacular.

the same is also noted in gen 3:22 "and jehovah god went on to say " here the man has become like one of " us".

again he is using the plural and not the singlar language clearly showing their were other life forms on an equal footing to him.. also satan via the serpent also knew the difference between good and bad before he tempted eve , showing he was on a par with jehovah god in knowing that fact along with the other gods in heaven.. another scripture that comes to mind is 1 cor.8:5 "........just as their are many gods and many lords,,,".

TTWSYF

The whole notion of the Jewish concept of One God was because they were surrounded by polytheist. I don't believe that the True God had 70 sons and was married. That was/is not what God is in reality. Of course, just my opinion.

One thing that got me about the trinity concept was the 'One God' thing, that is proclaimed over and over again in the old testament. How can there be a trinity when the OT totally states One God? How does God say "let US make man in OUR image" and still be One God?

After a little research, I found something very interesting.

In Hebrew there are 2 words for ONE. YACHID & ECHAD. These 2 words have different meanings.

SO there is the ONE that we all recognize.' I'll have ONE of those please'

Then there is the other word for one that indicates a type of plurality. Like 'Man and woman became One flesh', Or 'day and night became One day'

When the bible states that God is One, it is ALWAYS with the plural One.So even the OT proclaims that there is more to God than ONE being.

Check for yourself, I didn't make it up.

The Truth WIll Set You Free

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Why do so many JW's argue that they do not believe what they clearly do?

by Crabby in

i ask a question recently, which was why do jw's not salute the flag, and i ask what page of the bible directs this practice.. all i got back was that i do not know what i am talking about and that they are allowed to do this, when i dropped 40000 google links proving that they do not salute the flag they just deleted it as though my proof could not exist.

seriously this is common knowledge, my neighbor just put up a flag to keep the guy across the street away.

so are there jw's who have no clue what they believe, or should believe?

TTWSYF

All people in cults are always intellectually dishonest. They have to be- because reason, history and commonsense always dissolves their reasoning and logic.