I'm ashamed to admit that I used to kiss the TV screen when Ginger was on. I was 5 years old......So Ginger, but now I saw Mary Ann on TV a few years back and she was hot, very hot.
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Should Youths Get Baptized?
by xcellxior inhave a look at the pictures of this youth.
doesn't look like his voice has even broken.. first article in the "study" edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/w_e_20110615.pdf.
"does reading the bible and studying the.
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The WTS go on about how they don't do infant baptisms like other Christians, but really what is the difference?
The difference is that baptizing children is 100% scriptural. Studying for a baptism is unscriptural. That's a big difference, isn't it?
Although Jesus was a grown up when John baptised him, the apsotles in the book of acts indicates that all from a household can [and maybe should] be baptised.
See Acts 16;15 'She was baptised, with her household'
Acts 16;33 He was baptised at once, with all his family'
1 Corinthians 1;16 'I did baptze also the house of Stephanas'
respectfully,
dc
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Translating the NWT in the Shadows
by JuanMiguel innote: the following is not meant to be construed as a recommendation but to demonstrate the sharp contrast between any authentic bible translation and the new world translation.
for those of us who participate and or read the threads on this board, i understand and appreciate that all here have different views on religion, the existence of god, and of the catholic church.
i believe each individuals convictions should be treated with the utmost respect and dignity.
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More examples of NWT tampered texts include Mathew 26;26, Mark 14;22 and Like 22;19. These passages refer to the last supper when Jesus says "This is my body", of course, because the WTS denies the real presence of Jesus in the Eucarist, they feel the passages should be rendered 'This means my body' The Greek is quite clear. 'This is the body of me' is the literal translation.
So once again, the WTS is denying it's people the real Jesus
ego eimi -means 'I am', it does not mean 'I have been' There is no other place that the WTS translated ego eimi to mean I have been except John 8 ;58. Anyone who disagrees is not informed and is continuing a lie....there's no such thing as lying for the truth. It is a contridiction.
respectfully,
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Translating the NWT in the Shadows
by JuanMiguel innote: the following is not meant to be construed as a recommendation but to demonstrate the sharp contrast between any authentic bible translation and the new world translation.
for those of us who participate and or read the threads on this board, i understand and appreciate that all here have different views on religion, the existence of god, and of the catholic church.
i believe each individuals convictions should be treated with the utmost respect and dignity.
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One thing is for sure as this tread progresses. We are all victims of the Watchtower. It has touched all of us most profoundly. For my part, my brother converted to JWs and spewed his anti-catholic lies [because that's what the watchtower promotes, lies against other religions]. I read [should you believe in the trinity, the greatest man and numerouse watchtower and awake mags] and heard his lies and it led me away from my Catholic faith....just like some of you. I thought that he was right, he certainly sounded confident and educated on the subject matter. I started questioning nuns on the street about praying to Mary and the saints and the traditions, incense, relics in alters, the priesthood, everything. It was some 10 years later that another sibling went to a place called Medjugorje [in the former Yugoslavia] and after hearing of her trip and listeneing to her story , I agreed [mentally] to a small experiment [kinda a Pascale;s wager {forgive the mispelling}]. I agreed that I would read the scriptures daily and did so for several months. My JW brother being interested in my new found scriptural interest started asking if I figured out that Jesus was Michael yet. I was like "What?!, how do you get that? I told him that reading scriptures actually confirmed much of the Catholic faith for me and I started [only then] to research his claims that I intially believed. Everything was a lie...everything!
What wasn't a lie? I don't know. Everytime I try to confirm one of his beliefs, scripture contridicted it. Jesus came back already, JWs are God's mouth piece, millions living now will never die, etc, etc. Every one of his assertions has been used against the Watchtower. It's so funny that it's quite sad.
Still thinking, you have my sympathys. It's terrible that your family is still stuck in that cult. If you're out, it's because you figured out that they lied to you as well as your family. I am sorry that they shun you. It's a nasty business to be a member of a cult. You have my prayers.
You did write
Just to give you some accurate information that is fact. I was not educated as a JW, I was educated as a catholic.
You were not educated as a Catholic. You went to Catholic schools perhaps, yes, but your questions about the Catholic faith, Mary and the saints prove that you had no Catholic education. You weren't educated as a JW, but you did learn the techniques to deal with the contradictions in your faith. I am well aware that you had an epiphany at some point that made you say 'enough', and that's good, but you're still holding on to some of the lies. I truly wish you the best.
Before I give another example of the extremely poor scholarship of the NWT, I have a question for anyone who thinks that Jesus did not assert his divinity in John 8;58 when Jesus states 'Before Abraham came to be, Iam'.
If Jesus said 'I have been' then why was his life in danger in the very next sentence?
respectfully,
dc
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An answer for everything!
by Outaservice inour local newspaper reported the following today: 'rest on the sabbath.
heed old testament dietary codes.
and be ready for jesus to return at any moment.
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Didn't Charles Taze Russell get some of his ideas about Christianity from the Adventists?
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Just wanted to say hello
by WhatWasIThinking inbetween all that and studying for meetings and taking care of the house i had little free time.
i show up at the hall at 6:00 am on the day before christmas and no one is there.
she knows i'm da'd and doesn't care.
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Hello WWIT, Welcome to the community board. As you probably know, you'll find all types of people hear with one thing in common. We've all been lied to by the WTS.
Welcome! Interesting 1st post!
regards,
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Translating the NWT in the Shadows
by JuanMiguel innote: the following is not meant to be construed as a recommendation but to demonstrate the sharp contrast between any authentic bible translation and the new world translation.
for those of us who participate and or read the threads on this board, i understand and appreciate that all here have different views on religion, the existence of god, and of the catholic church.
i believe each individuals convictions should be treated with the utmost respect and dignity.
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Still thinking - To answer your anti catholic ramblings. Start a blog about it and I will reply as I have no problem answering my faith and it's history. 2000 years worth and well documented. Of course not without it's faults, but there's not 'lying for the truth' in our guidlines.
Also worth mentioning that my apology for zinging you about your lack of knowledge of your previous Catholic faith was not an apology because I was wrong, but an apology because my delivery was rude. I still have the belief that you had and have no idea about the fullness of your former faith. Someone told you that prayer repitition was vain repitition. Really? How would you know? Cause you can read folks minds and hearts? Gimmi a break.
Hmmmmm...lets see, was that an enormous statue of Mary I saw people kneeling in front of and praying to....or maybe I was mistaken. Maybe it was a golden calf.
No, it was a statue of Mary that you saw people kneeling by and praying. The thing that you apparently will not understand [and I don't blame you, it's the JW judgement thing you haven't let go of yet], is that you did not see people praying to Mary. Mary is a creature. The 'Hail Mary' prayer is actually reciting holy scripture except for the part that asks her to 'pray for us sinners, now and the hour of our death', other than that, it is all scripture. All scripture is prayer to God. It honors Mary when we read scripture about her and her witnessing of Jesus's life, but that is not worship.
Of course it all makes total sense....you have convinced me.....we don't need to pray directly to Jesus, its not his name we need to call on for salvation.
Who said that? You, Still thinking?
Wonderment wrote earlier The NWT was prepared for JWs, not for Christendom.
That's not what JWs say at the door. They say how they're the only true Christians and theirs is the most accurate bible. It's more lying for the TRUTH tm.
Many of these blogs are proving the fact that you need credibility in translations.
So moving on with this blog, over 99% of reputable scholars say that the Watchtower translation of John 1;1 is amatuer translation at best. Let's look at another example, shall we?
Ego eimi = is Greek for I am. It is by far the easiest first two words of the Greek [or any other] language. I am hot, I am hungry, I am thirsty, I am, easy to translate. I am is what God called himself to Moses at the burning bush when he told Moses to take off his shoes for he was on holy land. I am - present tense, not past or future tense, but present tense. Jesus said in John 8;58 'before Abraham came to be, I am' This was Jesus asserting his divinity and the crowd of Jews around Jesus wanted to kill him for blasphemy for saying that. Jesus never corrected them and said 'no, you misunderstood me' and scripture never says that the crowd of Jews misunderstood. That in itself is proof enought that the NWT rendering is wrong. Add that very obvious and quite frankly inexcusable, deceitful mistranslation to the long list of why the Watchtower is 'Translating the NWT in the Shadows'...interesting subject matter Juan, thanks.
Biblical scholar H.H. Rowley ["So many Versions?" Expository Times, 65 {1953-1954}, 103] said that the NWT 'reminds one of nothing so much as a schoolboy's first painful beginnings in translating Latin into English...and instead of showing reverance for the Bible which the translators profess, it is an insult to the word of God'
respectfully,
dc
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Translating the NWT in the Shadows
by JuanMiguel innote: the following is not meant to be construed as a recommendation but to demonstrate the sharp contrast between any authentic bible translation and the new world translation.
for those of us who participate and or read the threads on this board, i understand and appreciate that all here have different views on religion, the existence of god, and of the catholic church.
i believe each individuals convictions should be treated with the utmost respect and dignity.
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Wow, a fired up tread to say the least.
1st, my apologies if my ranting has offended the good people here. Faith, like politics and other fiery topics has people forget their manners.....I'm of course speaking of myself.
I expect no Catholic fan club on JW.net. I know that there is a wide margin of passionate beliefs here. We are speaking of the NWT, so let's not get off topic about how many books we have. We all have access to viable info at our finger tips.
Hey Terry, Thanks for your reply, you make a good point that there are no original transcripts available. Everything that we have is a copy of another. That being said, it is also noteworthy to be reminded that the Christian [and Jewish] faith and traditions were passed on orally, long before they were put to writings. When the apostles went out after the Pentecost, they did so without a new testament. They spoke the new testament orally and that was their way of teaching until the written word got confirmed. That oral tradition was the church and the written scriptures confirmed what they had already established. Right? I mean how many people were literate 2000 years ago. Hell, how many people were literate 200 years ago? Not many at all. Most were illiterate.
If you say that Mary isn't just as important why is one of the main prayers that we were taught to say repeatedly over and over the Hail Mary ? Why were we taught to pray to her? Where is the prayer to pray to Jesus?
All prayer goes to God through Jesus Christ. You know this yet you still try to convince folks [maybe yourself] that Catholics worship Mary. Of course that's not true. The Hail Mary prayer is not worship of Mary, it is asking her to pray for us. As Mary was the one who had Jesus change water to wine when Jesus didn;t want to, so can we appeal to her for her prayers on our behalf. As you are aware, the prayer of the rightous man has more weight than your average Joe. Because Mary is the most blessed woman ever, her prayers have more clout.
And while I'm on the subject of prayer...why the hell were we praying to saints?.....who says they are so holy?
We ask saints to pray for us for the same reason...prayer of the rightous man has more weight. Check Revelation and see how the angel presented the prayers of the saints with incense to God. People who knew them [saints] and witnessed their life say that they're holy by the example of their life. Catholic heirarcy will listen to the petitions and then research the subject to see what the fruits have been. Not fruits of making more Catholics, but of giving their life to the causes of charity, the poor, the sick and/or the orphaned. These same saintly subjects then must have supernatural occurances related to their interccession. Things like healings of incureable diseases, hardships, illnesses and such.
So I'm not sure who you think you are saying that I didn't check out my own faith? Since I never chose it. I was simply exposed to it.
That was so rude of me, and I'm a little embarrassed. Please accept my apologies. I thought I was talking to my own JW brother.
If you would like to compare Catholics with JW's I have a recent example for you. I asked my friend (who is catholic) the other day which bible version she used. Her reply "The Holy Bible" she didn't have the foggiest Idea that there were different bibles.
That doesn't surprise me. Catholics don't go around telling everyone that they have the most accurate bible and all others are corrupt from Satan's teachings. Also, it is up to each individual to hold on to what is true and discard what it useless.
But I would argue that you cannot speak for all JW's and make sweeping statements that most do not know about bible cannon. Otherwise, I could use the same argument about Catholics.
The point that I was making is that JWs come to the door trying to teach about the bible and how other Christians are part of Satan's organization. They tell of a great many things like 'our bible's the most accurate, Jesus died on a torture stake, there is no hell, Jesus is not God, Peter was not the 1st pope, Jesus never told Peter he was the rock to build His church, etc, etc, and when you confront them on these issues that they just told you with authority, they must retreat and say that 'these arguements have been going on for centuries'. That's not what they said at the door. At the door, they lied.....lied for the TRUTH tm , and it also went into their translation. How many times have you quoted that 'I don;lt want to believe in a three headed grotesque god'? You know that the Trinity is not a three headed monster god. jeus
meant respectfully, even if it doesn't sound that way.
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Translating the NWT in the Shadows
by JuanMiguel innote: the following is not meant to be construed as a recommendation but to demonstrate the sharp contrast between any authentic bible translation and the new world translation.
for those of us who participate and or read the threads on this board, i understand and appreciate that all here have different views on religion, the existence of god, and of the catholic church.
i believe each individuals convictions should be treated with the utmost respect and dignity.
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JW's provide copious amounts of information to support their beliefs (biased? Definately, but arent all religions).
Truth- JW's provide copious amounts of misinformation to support their beliefs
Catholics simply teach you must believe and thats that. No need to explain or answer any questions. Just listen, do as you're taught, worship our Father the Pope who's image dominates the hallways and classrooms, even more dominant than Jesus in fact.
To say that 'you are to worship our Father, the Pope.' is a flat out lie. No wonder you were converted to the JW's. You had no grasp of your own faith. And who's fault is that?
I think Jesus may even come close third after Mary.
Of course that is a ridiculous statement. Catholics [like all Christians] honor the son the same as the father. Catholics believe that Jesus is God in the flesh. Not God the father, but God the son who gave up his glory to become man.
I have studied with witnesses for a number of years and must say for me the appeal was the way they liked to answer questions and research things. After the Catholic dogmatic arrogance this was truly refreshing.
Really? Have an example? You are allowed to research any Catholic doctrine and you will find an answer. Ask a JW how many books are in the bible and they'll fire off the answer. Ask a JW how we got the current cannon of the bible and most have no idea that it was the Catholics. That the current biblical cannon came from the Roman council of 381 [382 maybe]. Ask any JW why they go door to door with a Catholic book and you won't get an answer.
But the fact that ALL bibles are biased to some extent makes the argument null and void to me because, does knowing the identity of the translators make any bible more correct than another?....NO
No. There is no excuse for adding, removing, or altering the scriptural texts no matter one's belief. You want an unbiased translation. You want a qualified translator so that you know there is credibility and accountability. As a JW once told me ' you don't look for a bible that suits your mental tastes, you look for the most accurate one you can find.' Avoid the NWT. It is corrupt, that's why no one else uses it!
I asked you guys not to get me started!
DARN!,
DC
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Translating the NWT in the Shadows
by JuanMiguel innote: the following is not meant to be construed as a recommendation but to demonstrate the sharp contrast between any authentic bible translation and the new world translation.
for those of us who participate and or read the threads on this board, i understand and appreciate that all here have different views on religion, the existence of god, and of the catholic church.
i believe each individuals convictions should be treated with the utmost respect and dignity.
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Hi Curtains, Juan and everyone else,
I don't have time to address every point that you are making at this seating, gotta go off to work.
1st off- the NWT is a poor translation period. If it were anywhere near accurate, then some other reputable organization would use it. No one else uses it because it is corrupt.
John 1;1 is one of probably 100 errors intentionally put in to change the script to fit Watchtower positions. That is a fact. Check your interlinair and see instead of promoting points of view from unreliable sources [nutjobs and haters].
1% is accurate. Check the various bible translations and see. I did check your social documents network. Not too reliable.
Sure, most folks thought the world was flat, they were wrong. There are lots of theories about creation and quantum physics along with theology that I believe the majority of folks would be wrong. Translating the scriptures in this day and age is not splitting atoms son. As more and more evidence is found, it puts the NWT position in the highly unlikely category. 1% [or less] is pretty accurate.
I went through your links info and addressed it. Why don't you do the same for me? check out a very reputable source http://onlineparallelbible.com/ and check the interlinair for yourself.
You say that Mantey was a fraud. Why? Because he chastised the WTS for doing something that they constantly do, and that is to take quotes out of context. Infuriating to say the least. Then folks like you buy it hook, line and sinker. Look to good info, not WTS propaganda. Many anti trinitarian scholars translate John 1;1 as 'the word was God' How many trinitarian scholars translate it as 'the word was a god'? Probably none.
Do the math, you're obviously not an idiot.
respectfully,
dc