Posts by TTWSYF

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Morning all! Just here to say hi and join in the discussion

by park ave boy in

jw
friends

i'm happy to join every ex-jw.borg site i can and support in whatever way i can.

i now regularly donate to these sites when available.

i'm bitter but i don't hate jws because they were brainwashed like we all were.

TTWSYF

I don;t know. I am here because of family members in the borg. I get info on what's going on in JW land from sites like this one. Some here are still in working out their faith with fear and trembling, others are waiting, others are not sure. One thing for sure is that the WTS is very good at fear and manipulation, so it is difficult for the members to break free. Congratulations to you for making an informed decision! Life is a journey and God never intended for a small group controlling another group. People cannot see when they are inside. People in the borg will say 'look at the fruits'. Well, there are no fruits. No JW anywhere can tell of a true JW fruit because it is not there at all.

just saying, cause it;s true

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Morning all! Just here to say hi and join in the discussion

by park ave boy in

jw
friends

i'm happy to join every ex-jw.borg site i can and support in whatever way i can.

i now regularly donate to these sites when available.

i'm bitter but i don't hate jws because they were brainwashed like we all were.

TTWSYF

Welcome to the board!

The Truth Will Set You Free

ttwsyf

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To be "literal" or not in Bible translation

by Wonderment in

some participants in this forum often bring up their criticisms of bible versions of not sticking to the original scriptures.

a few individuals have claimed that a word-for-word translation is absolutely necessary.

the answer is not that simple.

TTWSYF

To have literal bible translations or not depends on where you are getting your info.

If you had 20 people reading and interpreting the bible on their own you would get 20 different versions of what was to come and what was important.

How would one know who the real and true authority was in such a scenario?

Jesus did start a church which gave us the bible. There is a history of interpretation that goes back 2000 years and IS consistent in it's teachings. Why would anyone want a NEW interpretation that has only been around a few hundred years or less? How could such new interpretations be more legitimate than the oldest?

just wondering

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Has anyone watched the movie "Stigmata"?

by WireRider in

interesting movie about biblical cover-ups.

"no gospels in jesus's own words.

" the vatican, admittedly the largest collection of all christian scrolls and documents, would split up pages between translators to keep it secret.. theme: "split a piece of wood and i am there.

TTWSYF

Just a movie... and not a very good one in my opinion...

.: "Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift a stone and you will find me."

I think that's from the gospel of Thomas. One of the rejected gospels because it wasn;t old enough, circulated enough and/or true enough to be a true gospel.

Other rejected gospels include the gospel of Mary, of Peter, of Judas to name a few others. Interesting reading, but labeled as books not worthy enough for the bible cannon. Interesting that they used a Padre Pio look- a-like. Devout catholic priest who had the stigmata for decades according to his peers. Others thought he did it to himself.

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Watchtower says in Paradise we will fly like Superman and so avoid accidents???!!

by Witness 007 in

golden age aug 25 1926 p.751.

"negative gravitation.

you may have wondered how accidents will be avoided in jesus kingdom since we are told nothing will hurt or destroy.

TTWSYF

More typical watchtower jealousy. The Catholics have been talking about flying around in heaven for thousands of years, It's all over the bible. About time that the watchtower got on board.

What's next? Jesus worship?

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John-1-1-Colossians-1-16-all-other-things - Part 2

by Wonderment in

continued from part 1 (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5097191899136000/john-1-1-colossians-1-16-all-other-things):.

the nw translation and some of its unique renderings, like john 1.1- "a god," and colossians 1.16 - "all other things," have been consistently at the top of the most debated topics here in this forum and elsewhere from the beginning.

the anger felt by detractors of the nwt rendering of john 1.1 (a god) has diminished considerably if compared to the furious debates surrounding the verse that raged on during the 1950 thru 1970s.

TTWSYF

Wonderment- So the NWT is still the most accurate bible in existence, right?

just asking

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

TTWSYF

the lies we are told are truley huge.

That's a truth that we all can agree with

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

TTWSYF

Former Brother wrote "Seriously, you are saying the Vatican and the Pope are nearer to the truth than Jw org?"
Yes I am. How could I say such a thing? Look at the fruits. I gave you real examples of fruits that the Church that Jesus started has given the world. You on the other hand have not named 1 JW fruit. Everyone knows that the bible is a catholic book. How could the watchtower [or anyone else] be a better authority on it? Name a JW fruit or truth that would convince anyone?
just asking an apologist

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Usually I will would reply to be polite. But I dont think its worth it in this case.

You go on thinking what you like of the pope and the vatican and the million tons of gold they have taken from the people over the millenniums, I will go on thinking what I think
Nothing like a little reality, eh? The church started by Jesus has never taken gold, it has only received what has been given. You are not being polite, you have no answer and would rather lie to yourself than try to lie to me it seems.
How could you stay with an organization that claims truth, yet has none. You know a tree by it's fruits. Are the catholic fruits good? Are schools, hospitals, foodbanks, old age homes, homeless shelters, etc etc good? Can you even acknowledge the good in these things? If you cannot, then you are lying only to yourself. You have my pity.

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Closest to the truth?

by punkofnice in

i know many jws that state that the watchtower corporation is the 'closest to the truth'.

thus they quiet their cognitive dissonance.. i don't have access to a corporation library any more.

is this a stance that the watchtower corporation has actually claimed?.

TTWSYF

Good thread Punko. Great examples too

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

TTWSYF

Former Brother wrote "Seriously, you are saying the Vatican and the Pope are nearer to the truth than Jw org?"

Yes I am. How could I say such a thing? Look at the fruits. I gave you real examples of fruits that the Church that Jesus started has given the world. You on the other hand have not named 1 JW fruit. Everyone knows that the bible is a catholic book. How could the watchtower [or anyone else] be a better authority on it? Name a JW fruit or truth that would convince anyone?

just asking an apologist