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  John-1-1-Colossians-1-16-all-other-things - Part 2

  by Wonderment in

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  continued from part 1 (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5097191899136000/john-1-1-colossians-1-16-all-other-things):.

  the nw translation and some of its unique renderings, like john 1.1- "a god," and colossians 1.16 - "all other things," have been consistently at the top of the most debated topics here in this forum and elsewhere from the beginning.

  the anger felt by detractors of the nwt rendering of john 1.1 (a god) has diminished considerably if compared to the furious debates surrounding the verse that raged on during the 1950 thru 1970s.

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  Cofty, please tell me which words you do not understand and I'll try to explain. You seen to be attacking and not wanting to understand. Tone down your anger. My analogies are not gibberish. You asked for someone to explain in simple easy to understand ways. That;s what I did. I am not trying to convert you, just explaining in a way that someone like you could. I don;t know if I can be any clearer with an analogy about a being {GOD} with no peer.

  Wonderment _Yes, the bible states explicitly that the Holy Spirit is God and that Jesus is God. I gave explicit examples from the NWT. Reading other passages takes nothing away from what I posted.

  Slimboy-Yes, there are scriptures that indicate that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. Of course, the Father speaks and Jesus IS HIS WORDS. And the Father's words are so awesome that they are alive. They are Jesus and has ALL of the POWER of God. How could it all be true if Jesus is only a messenger? You are saying that the scriptures that put Jesus as below prove that he is not God. How do you reconcile the scriptures that indicate him as God?
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  John-1-1-Colossians-1-16-all-other-things - Part 2

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  continued from part 1 (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5097191899136000/john-1-1-colossians-1-16-all-other-things):.

  the nw translation and some of its unique renderings, like john 1.1- "a god," and colossians 1.16 - "all other things," have been consistently at the top of the most debated topics here in this forum and elsewhere from the beginning.

  the anger felt by detractors of the nwt rendering of john 1.1 (a god) has diminished considerably if compared to the furious debates surrounding the verse that raged on during the 1950 thru 1970s.

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  it's so totally understandable why JWs [former too]have such a problem with the trinity concept. The WTS talks always about how good the bible is and it's God's word and all that, but then tells you that the bible doesn;t mean what it says. Doomed to be like posters we all love to debate with. I'll be a brief as possible. Below from the NWT states explicitly that the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus is God.

  Acts 5'3 But Peter said: “An·a·ni′as, why has Satan emboldened you to lie+ to the holy spirit+ and secretly hold back some of the price of the field?4 As long as it remained with you, did it not remain yours? And after it was sold, was it not in your control? Why have you thought up such a deed as this in your heart? You have lied, not to men, but to God.”

  This one [explicitly prophesying Jesus IS GOD] is from

  IS 96 For a child has been born to us,+A son has been given to us;And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+His name will be called Wonderful Counselor,+ Mighty God,+Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

  One for Cofty- We have 3 dimensions in our reality. We have [and can observe] length, depth and height. Engineers will use the terms x,y and z axis, carpenters like Jesus would use the square, level and plumb. When you have three dimensions, you can see a clear picture in 3 dimensions. Take away a dimension and you have a lesser picture or view. Height is not more important than depth, and width is not more important than height, these dimensions work together to give us a clearer view and do not contradict at all. They work together to create an image that we can see. The trinity could be explained like that without committing heresy.
  
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  Morning all! Just here to say hi and join in the discussion

  by park ave boy in

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  i'm happy to join every ex-jw.borg site i can and support in whatever way i can.

  i now regularly donate to these sites when available.

  i'm bitter but i don't hate jws because they were brainwashed like we all were.

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  I don;t know. I am here because of family members in the borg. I get info on what's going on in JW land from sites like this one. Some here are still in working out their faith with fear and trembling, others are waiting, others are not sure. One thing for sure is that the WTS is very good at fear and manipulation, so it is difficult for the members to break free. Congratulations to you for making an informed decision! Life is a journey and God never intended for a small group controlling another group. People cannot see when they are inside. People in the borg will say 'look at the fruits'. Well, there are no fruits. No JW anywhere can tell of a true JW fruit because it is not there at all.

  just saying, cause it;s true
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  Morning all! Just here to say hi and join in the discussion

  by park ave boy in

  1. jw
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  i'm happy to join every ex-jw.borg site i can and support in whatever way i can.

  i now regularly donate to these sites when available.

  i'm bitter but i don't hate jws because they were brainwashed like we all were.

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  Welcome to the board!

  The Truth Will Set You Free

  ttwsyf
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  To be "literal" or not in Bible translation

  by Wonderment in

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  2. bible

  some participants in this forum often bring up their criticisms of bible versions of not sticking to the original scriptures.

  a few individuals have claimed that a word-for-word translation is absolutely necessary.

  the answer is not that simple.

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  To have literal bible translations or not depends on where you are getting your info.

  If you had 20 people reading and interpreting the bible on their own you would get 20 different versions of what was to come and what was important.

  How would one know who the real and true authority was in such a scenario?

  Jesus did start a church which gave us the bible. There is a history of interpretation that goes back 2000 years and IS consistent in it's teachings. Why would anyone want a NEW interpretation that has only been around a few hundred years or less? How could such new interpretations be more legitimate than the oldest?

  just wondering
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  Has anyone watched the movie "Stigmata"?

  by WireRider in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  interesting movie about biblical cover-ups.

  "no gospels in jesus's own words.

  " the vatican, admittedly the largest collection of all christian scrolls and documents, would split up pages between translators to keep it secret.. theme: "split a piece of wood and i am there.

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  Just a movie... and not a very good one in my opinion...

  .: "Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift a stone and you will find me."

  I think that's from the gospel of Thomas. One of the rejected gospels because it wasn;t old enough, circulated enough and/or true enough to be a true gospel.

  Other rejected gospels include the gospel of Mary, of Peter, of Judas to name a few others. Interesting reading, but labeled as books not worthy enough for the bible cannon. Interesting that they used a Padre Pio look- a-like. Devout catholic priest who had the stigmata for decades according to his peers. Others thought he did it to himself.
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  Watchtower says in Paradise we will fly like Superman and so avoid accidents???!!

  by Witness 007 in

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  golden age aug 25 1926 p.751.

  "negative gravitation.

  you may have wondered how accidents will be avoided in jesus kingdom since we are told nothing will hurt or destroy.

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  More typical watchtower jealousy. The Catholics have been talking about flying around in heaven for thousands of years, It's all over the bible. About time that the watchtower got on board.

  What's next? Jesus worship?
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  John-1-1-Colossians-1-16-all-other-things - Part 2

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  continued from part 1 (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5097191899136000/john-1-1-colossians-1-16-all-other-things):.

  the nw translation and some of its unique renderings, like john 1.1- "a god," and colossians 1.16 - "all other things," have been consistently at the top of the most debated topics here in this forum and elsewhere from the beginning.

  the anger felt by detractors of the nwt rendering of john 1.1 (a god) has diminished considerably if compared to the furious debates surrounding the verse that raged on during the 1950 thru 1970s.

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  Wonderment- So the NWT is still the most accurate bible in existence, right?

  just asking
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
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  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  the lies we are told are truley huge.

  That's a truth that we all can agree with
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  • Former Brother wrote "Seriously, you are saying the Vatican and the Pope are nearer to the truth than Jw org?"
    

    Yes I am. How could I say such a thing? Look at the fruits. I gave you real examples of fruits that the Church that Jesus started has given the world. You on the other hand have not named 1 JW fruit. Everyone knows that the bible is a catholic book. How could the watchtower [or anyone else] be a better authority on it? Name a JW fruit or truth that would convince anyone?

    just asking an apologist

    
    

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    Usually I will would reply to be polite. But I dont think its worth it in this case.

    
    

    You go on thinking what you like of the pope and the vatican and the million tons of gold they have taken from the people over the millenniums, I will go on thinking what I think

    Nothing like a little reality, eh? The church started by Jesus has never taken gold, it has only received what has been given. You are not being polite, you have no answer and would rather lie to yourself than try to lie to me it seems.

    How could you stay with an organization that claims truth, yet has none. You know a tree by it's fruits. Are the catholic fruits good? Are schools, hospitals, foodbanks, old age homes, homeless shelters, etc etc good? Can you even acknowledge the good in these things? If you cannot, then you are lying only to yourself. You have my pity.