Posts by jesussaves

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Another Victim lost BACK TO WT - how sad

by JT in

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a few days back a dfed black woman came to this site - asking for help and looking for answers, so lady "c and myself decided to offer our help, being black we understand that black jw face some issues that a white witness would not, black congo operate many times in a somewhat different fashion in my exp at any rate , we offered our help, we discussed many issues, but in the end she has decided to return back to wt despite the fact that they treat her like dirt- one of the hardest things to watch is to see a jw get so close to freedom and then return to slavery, it reminds me so much of blacks during slavery who were just afraid to run for freedom , even many times when they only needed to cross the river -as a single black mature woman she is facing an uphill battle, if she approaches an elder more than 2 times the elders wife will think she is after her man, if she wants to marry her selection is reduced to some guy with a plaid suit on, instead of the regional director of her company who notices how intelligent she is, but since he don't sell books on the weekend she must let him slide- well here is just a glisp of what we dealt with and how sadly it ended with the jw doing what they have been trained and indoctrinated to do run and deny below are just 3 different sets of dialog .

---- dfed person--sorry, but i don't really think that it is a black and white issue.

jt- o i fully agree it is not a black and white issue, i was merely commenting on what my observation have been, when i was an elder, white bro in meetings would always challenged the co and do if they made some off the wall comment, while black elders would consistently just go along,

jesussaves

JT,

I commend you for your seed planting! Also being a highly intelligent African-American woman, I notice the difficulty with helping my friends and family out of the org. I know alot of disfellowshipped folks who still believe every single last bit of JW doctrine. They don't want to go back because they either feel they are not ready to serve God or that they'll never be a good JW.

I went through the same dilemma. I didn't leave because of any lights coming on about incorrect doctrine. I left because the elders at my hall dogged me to no end. I was treated like a harlot, while my partner in crime (the son of an elder) was privately reproved and unaffected. Now, the only reason I ever started to investigate the JW doctrine is because my boyfriend at the time (now husband) shared the real gospel with me.

I was mostly affected by John 8, where the Pharisees bring a woman to be judged by Jesus and he tells them ' whoever is without sin cast the first stone' (not exact quotation) I realized that I was in a religion full of hypocrisy, and that was nothing like Jesus.

After this, I read COC and got the awakening of a lifetime. I now belong to a progressive Pentecostal church.

Now, I said all this to say that the young woman is searching, and until she finds something that she can grasp, she going to keep going back to the known (JWs). It took me a long time to get to the point where I could even hear anything I considered 'apostate'.

I've talked to my dad alot, and he has tons of doubts, yet he continues to go to the statement 'JWs may not have it 100% correct, but no one else out here is any closer.' I challenge him frequently on this because he's a born and raised JW. How in the world does he even know what other religions teach? He only knows what the Society says they teach.

Keep up the good work JT. Jesus loves you for it :) :) *wink wink*

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JT look - Local Elder Disfellowshipped

by jesussaves in

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merry christmas everyone,.

i talked to my active jw mother today, and she informed me about an elder that had been disfellowshipped a couple of weeks ago.

now, this had a profound effect on me, because i've known this elder since i was a little girl.

jesussaves

Of course my mother is listening in on the JW grapevine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's what she lives for. She even asks me questions about THIS website. She wants to know if there is anyone that she knows who posts here or if I have a list of apostates. She's just plain old nosy, but every now and then she inadvertently passes on some good news (like people leaving or getting disfellowshipped) :)

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JT look - Local Elder Disfellowshipped

by jesussaves in

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merry christmas everyone,.

i talked to my active jw mother today, and she informed me about an elder that had been disfellowshipped a couple of weeks ago.

now, this had a profound effect on me, because i've known this elder since i was a little girl.

jesussaves

Merry Christmas everyone,

I talked to my active JW mother today, and she informed me about an elder that had been disfellowshipped a couple of weeks ago. Now, this had a profound effect on me, because I've known this elder since I was a little girl. I went to school with his daughter.

My mother said that he was disfellowshipped for spending too much time on the internet. It is her theory that he met a woman on the internet and committed adultery. I find this very hard to believe, but of course my mom doesn't think that anyone leaves JWs because they just don't believe the doctrine. In her opinion, they must have committed some "gross sin".

Now, it is my hope that this elder was disfellowshipped because he found out the truth about the 'troof'. I hope that he convinces his wife and children to leave too. He was a very influential elder, maybe his leaving will cause some others to question. It made my mother start asking me questions about what I believe now. Of course, she doesn't want to really hear the answers (she cuts me off mid-sentence) but at least she's asking.

JT, this elder is of the same clique as our friend Gene. Has Shirley called your mother and law yet? I'm sure she shared this little tidbit.

JWs and Capital Punishment

by jesussaves in

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merry christmas everybody,.

i remember when i had my questions for baptism, the elder asked me what my view was on capital punishment.

he was obviously trying to confuse me.

jesussaves

Merry Christmas everybody,

I remember when I had my questions for baptism, the elder asked me what my view was on Capital Punishment. He was obviously trying to confuse me. I answered how I thought a 'Christian' would answer. I said that murder is wrong and that Jesus Christ forgave and so should Christians. I was then and still am against the death penalty. Well, Bro. Elder told me that I was absolutely wrong on this, and that God created Capital Punishment as part of the Mosaic Law (an eye for an eye). When I asked, "What about the cities of refuge given so that accidental death could not be avenged with a life?" Bro Elder changed the subject, and called it a deep matter. Of course, I was only supposed to be on 'milk' then, so I should leave the meaty things of scripture alone. I should have viewed that whole exchange as a reason not to be baptized into the cult, but I didn't.

Just a random JW memory.

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Lurkers

by Yizuman in

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seems that the page view out number the posters who actually reply to the thread.. my guess is that there's alot of active jws who are still active within' the so called "truth" are visiting this forum and reading all the threads.

i don't blame them for not wanting to reply for fear of being found out.. how many of you were still active when you found a forum like this one and lurked around for a long time?

how many of you left the organization as a result of reading this forum or other forums like it?.

jesussaves

Jonadab,

You ignored what I said about Eli and his sons. Also, the only book I need to read to learn about God is the Bible. Thank you.

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Lurkers

by Yizuman in

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seems that the page view out number the posters who actually reply to the thread.. my guess is that there's alot of active jws who are still active within' the so called "truth" are visiting this forum and reading all the threads.

i don't blame them for not wanting to reply for fear of being found out.. how many of you were still active when you found a forum like this one and lurked around for a long time?

how many of you left the organization as a result of reading this forum or other forums like it?.

jesussaves

Jonadab,

Eli and his sons were executed by God. If the Governing Body is executed by God, then maybe I'll consider coming back to the hall (just kidding)!

The JW logic is completely flawed. I know, because I used that stupid logic on many occasions. I heard myself sounding like an idiot, yet continued on. I've pointed out many travesties of justice committed by elders, and I get the standard response from my family, "There are imperfect men in the organization, but it is still the truth"

Jonadab, can you please explain to me how the majority of the whole can be corrupt, but the entire whole thought of as clean and pure? I believe that there is a such thing as true Christianity. It doesn't involve denomination or church membership. It involves being a follower of Christ.

I am happier NOW than I ever was as a JW. As a JW, Jehovah was a mean, judging God that didn't answer my prayers as a child or as an adult. As a Christian, Jehovah is my provider, my help, my righteousness.

My family wants to believe that I'm unhappy. My sister even goes as far as inventing things! I think most active JWs want to believe that X-JWs are unhappy and depressed. As a JW, I was suicidal and depressed.

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The coming "disassociations"

by Elsewhere in

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i have seen several threads about how the elders are going to be going around asking people if they still consider themselves to be jehovah's witnesses.

this will undoubtedly result in multiple da announcements in the coming months.

i'm curious how the average jw will perceive this and respond to it.

jesussaves

I haven't been to any meetings in about five years. I have NEVER been contacted by any elders. Now, I'm sure they'll be contacting me in their new push, because my entire family are JWs. My grandmother, sister and aunt (all reg pioneers) will all be more than happy to give them my info (telephone #, address). I fully intend to avoid them at all costs. My husband was never a JW, so they will end up talking to him. If they happen to get me on the phone, I'll say 'Tiffany is not available, would you like to leave a message?' That's not a lie! I'm never available for them. I don't ever open my door without identifying who it is. If it looks like elders, I ain't answering the door. In my angrier days, I've told off several publishers who had the audacity to ring my bell. But I never give them my maiden name, and I've moved out of the territory.

Actually, I think I'll tell them that my husband does not allow me to talk to men, and that I have to obey my head. I'll tell them that whatever questions they have for me, they can pose them to my hubby. My husband is a Christian Minister who is very well versed in the tricks of JWs (thanks to me.) Two elders actually tried to study with him. I would listen from upstairs and crack up as their logic was blasted.

Maybe my name has already been announced. I doubt it though, because when I run into JWs, they still speak. My sister is actually the only one who chooses to shun me (until she needs to borrow money).

JT,

Maybe they'll send Eugene by my house!!!!! That would be HIL-FREAKING-ARIOUS!

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Any Brooklyn Bethelites from '93 - '98?

by back2dafront in

i guess i should introduce myself for i am a new poster-boy :-) my name is jason howard and i currently reside in santa cruz, california.

i spent the first 24 years of my life as a jw, starting in danbury, ct, then to fayetteville & charlotte, nc, and finally brooklyn, bethel, where finally all of my negative inner thoughts and feelings were confirmed.

(from the ages of 14-24 i always felt something just didn't add up with the organization, but i could never quite put a finger on it) i spent my career at bethel in the brooklyn warehouse/purchasing departments and worked with some really great individuals.

jesussaves

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Any Brooklyn Bethelites from '93 - '98?

by back2dafront in

i guess i should introduce myself for i am a new poster-boy :-) my name is jason howard and i currently reside in santa cruz, california.

i spent the first 24 years of my life as a jw, starting in danbury, ct, then to fayetteville & charlotte, nc, and finally brooklyn, bethel, where finally all of my negative inner thoughts and feelings were confirmed.

(from the ages of 14-24 i always felt something just didn't add up with the organization, but i could never quite put a finger on it) i spent my career at bethel in the brooklyn warehouse/purchasing departments and worked with some really great individuals.

jesussaves

Anybody know these guys?

Andrew (Chip) Davis, Stephen Baker, Jonathan Baker, Brian Sizemore. I know for a fact that Brian is out of the org, and Chip left Bethel to get married. I believe that the Baker boys have made a career out of Bethel life. Stephen and I were very good friends...I'd love to lay some real 'truth' on him. My congregation was known for producing Bethelites.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

jesussaves

I see that some people on this message board are incapable of holding a discussion without hurling insults or namecalling. Furthermore, what purpose is served from trying to point out flaws in the bible? Are you trying to convince yourself that your unbelief is justified? Christians are going to dismiss every claim of atheists and atheists are going to dismiss every claim of Christians. What is even the point?