hi everyone .
it was not my intention to write here anymore, but i found things that caught my interest, things that i feel to share in the hope of someone finds it interesting.. the core is that the wt surprisingly admits that what "we" believe in, is after all, only opinions (awake 2000 june 22 page9-11 "do not be a victim of propaganda).. anyone with a scan of thiese pages would make my day ;-) the questions/arguments below are built around this:.
feel free to find better arguments ;-).
Do you really think that was an oversight? In the series of those articles about propaganda they clearly explain that they don't use propaganda but teach the truth from the Bible. Before jumping to conclusions read the whole thing and do not take excerpts out of context (that's what they do and nobody appreciates that).
Under the subheading: IS THE WORK OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES PROPAGANDISTIC?
what happened to the original christian churches named in the bible - philadelphia, thessolonica, ephesus, smyrna, pergamum, thyatira, sardis, and laodicea to name a few?
one would think that since these were the original churches, if we could trace the history of these churches down to our day, we could find who is preaching truth today.
obviously this doesn't lie with jws because it is a new religion, although i do not doubt the sincerity of their belief.. there are two likely cases that i can see: 1) these became what is now known as the roman catholic church, 2) the roman catholic church was an apostate christianity that seperated from these true churches and used their power to snuff out the true churches from history.. which one do you think is correct?
They became muslim, like most Christians in Middle east and North Africa. (Just throwing it in as another possibility )
As pertaining to Christianity I believe there was never a time when all Christians believed and practiced exactly same things. Actually before the unification efforts (and lot of tweaking and editting to make it more resonable and palatable to the educated pagans), the early Christians believed some strange and crazy things...
hi everyone .
it was not my intention to write here anymore, but i found things that caught my interest, things that i feel to share in the hope of someone finds it interesting.. the core is that the wt surprisingly admits that what "we" believe in, is after all, only opinions (awake 2000 june 22 page9-11 "do not be a victim of propaganda).. anyone with a scan of thiese pages would make my day ;-) the questions/arguments below are built around this:.
feel free to find better arguments ;-).
We don't have to worry about that, because we know that their "truth" is just another opinion.
the truth about messiah and what he acheived in the 1st century is something millions of believers in christ refuse to accept namely the historical record of things all fulfilled in that momentous 1st century.it is rejected because the -isms, man made doctrines, theologies, false teachings etc etc that abound since then and so millions have allowed themselves to be brainwashed,conditioned into.
the reality is so simple if one lets messiah remain with his intent and meaning.
but if we change his own words, we become divided.
UN inf.-
hi everyone .
it was not my intention to write here anymore, but i found things that caught my interest, things that i feel to share in the hope of someone finds it interesting.. the core is that the wt surprisingly admits that what "we" believe in, is after all, only opinions (awake 2000 june 22 page9-11 "do not be a victim of propaganda).. anyone with a scan of thiese pages would make my day ;-) the questions/arguments below are built around this:.
feel free to find better arguments ;-).
You are totally misreading what they mean. When they say "we" they really mean you (plural, those who read the information), they don't have "just" opinions they have "the truth" because they are guided by holy spirit (from their standpoint). People use "we" often when they're trying to point other peoples faultes or areas of correction or improvement (we are all imperfect..., we all make mistakes... , we all can show more love..., we have just opinions = meaning: you should be better, try harder, be more loving, be willing to examine your opinion (and conform it to the "truth" they preach).).
the truth about messiah and what he acheived in the 1st century is something millions of believers in christ refuse to accept namely the historical record of things all fulfilled in that momentous 1st century.it is rejected because the -isms, man made doctrines, theologies, false teachings etc etc that abound since then and so millions have allowed themselves to be brainwashed,conditioned into.
the reality is so simple if one lets messiah remain with his intent and meaning.
but if we change his own words, we become divided.
Most people would love to know the real truth about Jesus. But they are weary because so many claiming to have the truth turned out to be liars... You make sweeping statements. Can you prove any of them?
i am reuniting with past students and return visits.. i met up with a young lad i used to call on.
he is not baptised, but at university in his 20's and living away from home.
his mother is a jw and his father is not.
I would say No, I'm not. I don't use the label 'apostate' because to me it implies that the JW would be the true religion. I just say that I'm no longer one of JWs or that I don't believe their teachings anymore. I know, it is too long and it doesn't have the same ring to it, but I think it's more accurate.
I believe JWs are apostates from the Bible teachings, as well as from historical Christianity. They are just one of those homemade religions made up of hodgepodge of wierd and marginal ideas. Can you really be an apostate of an apostate religion?
i have a close family member who is a pro in using shame to try to make me feel bad.
they are coming to stay at my place soon and the issue of me and mrs hoser not attending/ doing field service will come up no doubt.. i need some advice on how to deal with this because whenever i deal with these relatives they make me feel worthless.
it is probably part because they are jw's and jw's motivate by fear and guilt.. .
Just tell him (her) if he doesn't stop he will have to go to a hotel and PAY for his accomodations.
look i don't care what you believe, i really don't.
just leave me out of it.
if i were interested in your beliefs i would pursue them, but trying to force your literature and views onto people is just rude.
Ha, ha. Somebody was having a nice dream and then... Knock, knock!.. What a rude awakening. I'm glad it wasn't me. Oh, I forgot, I'm a Do Not Call.
from purely anecdotal evidence, i believe women are more indoctrinated on average.
i can openly disagree with the governing body with men and it results in a discussion however, most women i've talked to have immediately shut me down by ending the conversation.
the only person currently shunning me is a woman.
This is just a generalization but I think more women tend to be interested in spiritual things. Now, I go to R.C. Church and see the same trend and even among my non-believing friends and family I see women longing for some kind of "after-life" so they can be together with their loved ones. Maybe it is just the way women are... more feeling than thinking. I am the same way, on logical and intelectual level I don't really believe in God, but I desperatelly hope He exists and will fix all the bad things so that the human condition will improve ( I hate all that child abuse, human trafficing, wars, torture, mistreatment of marginalized ones, hunger, death from easily treatable conditions,.........the list is long. And I don't put much faith in humans because all this are problems they created and are not willing to erradicate).
