i wittnessed in my time several woe filled jw's apon hearing that one of their former members had died while out or the "turth".
the typical reaction was " we can only pray to jehovah that their heart condition was right at the end".
wtf!
@ Brizzy. Holy cow! That is an awesome analysis. I see you take your personal study quite seriously.
I remember as dub-dub, trying to apply the scriptures relevantly and really had a heck of a time.
I wonder if the writer of that article was just the type who wears sweat pants to the office, doesn't bathe, sits there and muddles through the mundane process of work and life, without any serious thought except maybe suicide. lol.
watchtower will move world headquarters to warwick.
warwick - if all goes according to plan, jehovahs witnesses will relocate their world headquarters from brooklyn to warwick.. .
at its regular meeting on nov. 19, the warwick town board announced the plans by the religious group.. the visual impact of the religious denominations plans to refurbish the former international nickel company property off long meadow road stand as the primary concern residents want addressed in any environmental impact statement.. .
He also said members visiting the campus will stay in bed and breakfasts and hotels, eat in restaurants and shop, bringing tourism dollars with them.
Bwahahaahaha! That's funny. I hope they accept WT literature as currency. Or teach waitresses to feed their children literature.
I feel bad for the people of Warwick. Such a pleasant little town, to be overrun by these folks is truly sad.
does anyone know if the society has specific policies on the handling of members with mental health problems?.
my grandfather, a brother in good standing since moses developed paranoid schizophrenia in his later years.
he got to the stage where he would knock people over in the street, place his hand on thier head and cast out evil spirits in the name of jehovah.. he was disfellowshiped and not long after he passed away.. this was related to me by a friend years later as i was unaware due to the shunning, i didn't even know he died.
They are allowed to get drug therapy. However, they do not want the witlesses getting talk therapy because one of the things they might be asked to do is to leave the witlesses, or at least cut back on their stress-inducing activities.
Yes, my sisters and my mother are all on various ADs at various times.
some type of mob mentality going on too . It was so common among witnesses when one sister had Chronic Fatigue syndrome ,five more would come down with similar symptoms.)
I saw that, too. I used to call it "The Disease of the Month Club". A whole crew always had the same problems, even the same allergies. Also, went to the same "doctors."
They shouldn't get help, because if they do, they will leave the cult.
AD's are the best thing to happen to Jehovahs Wignuts. It keeps them brain-dead, fuzzy, and just plain wastes of skin, IMO.
Agreed.
I remember being very depressed most of the time. I was surrounded by negative people who constantly pointed out all the bad things of the world. I was being told that everyone worldly was bad (drugs, sex, etc) and being controlled constantly regarding what to wear, how to wear my hair, what I should do for a job, whether I should pursue education. It crushes the will to live, after all, we weren't to have any independent thought that would allow us to be individuals. Very bland. Conversation was centered around bible and associates and gossip. Nothing intellectual or stimulating. Social life was the pits. Especially since I was a bit of a square peg in the round hole. Constantly struggling to keep up with hours in service, personal study, family study, meetings, etc, plus trying to pay bills and maintain my life.
For a jw, even the car you drive will be a factor of whether you are "good" or "bad". Other things that play into other's judgement of you are (short list): Hair length, facial hair, jewelry, clothes, car style, car color, furnishings, decorations, music taste, number of hours in service, friends, job, associates, spouse's spiritual state, children/parents state, address, financial standing (they focus on that too!), how private you like to keep your private life.
There is much more, but consider all that, no wonder they are depressed.
I remember waking up on Sunday and not going to the hall. I felt so good. I have my up days and bad days, but once I shed the guilt of "not doing enough" for the society, I have been generally happy and enjoying life.
hey guys.... .
just wondering what kh you guys attended and or congregation you are from?.
me, i'm from hayes cong london and golden ash northants... spent time in others too but mostly those... oh, also a short spat in kempston cong bedford... all in england... :).
I have attended at one time or another, in no particular order:
In PA, USA: Greenlane, Warminster, Souderton, Pennsburg, Kutztown, Reading North, Allentown (various), Stroudsburg, Bangor, Hamburg. All eastern PA units.
My favorite is the one I attend now: None.
ok before i start i know my mum was um "special" and had some, well...... bizzare training ideas.. .
i was one of 7 kids, dad didnt help much coz he was sick, so my mum was left to run the 'ship' and she did it with an iron fist.. .
we were never late for a meeting we sat, parents and 2 kids in one row the other 5 in row in front.
I got the hairbrush. 5 years old and not used to staying still for hours at a time, so I would daydream or get antsy.
Drag back to the bathroom and get my ass whooped a bunch of time. Christ, my mother was a fucking bitch. cough cough, I mean a good pioneer.
I swore to myself, if I ever had to spank my child, I would never use anything but my bare palm and never pull down the pants to deliver it.
Fucking savage assholes. I've seen pricks smack infants, pull hair, punch, hit, etc. Fucking savage assholes.
I'd rather bore the shit out of my kids with lectures.
bokf... If you are proud, then I believe you should be proud enough to tell your local body of elders that you posted that message on this board. Tell them how proud you are that you came to this site. Tell them how proud you are that you posted your opinion. Make sure you take some time to read a few of the various posts and topics so you can explain to them the obvious has-been jw attitudes.
Take some time to check out various threads, you'll be a better informed "witness for Jehovah". You can learn about how, while Jehovah's Witnesses were being taught that the UN was evil, the Watchtower Society was a member who committed (on paper) to endorsing the UN and supporting the UN goals. Yes, its true. At the same time that sending your kid to the boy scouts can get you disfellowshipped, the WTS can be a supporting member of the UN, check it out.
You can learn how the date 1914 was really determined, and who really determined the chronology.
You can learn what medical procedures where once banned by the WTS, and after people died, the bans were reversed without so much as ever admitting error.
You can learn why WTS overturned the ban on organ transplants.
You can learn how many members of the JW have reported sexual abuse, and what the Society does about it on paper, in court, and in reality, and you can compare that to what the Catholic Church has done and explain why the WTS has a better policy.
You can learn what happens when you disagree privately with any doctrine of WTS.
You can learn more about the history of the Watchtower Society than any of your friends. Do you have any old publications (pre-1970) in your KH library? Is your KH old enough to have the oldest publications? Mine was. But they don't have them anymore. Wonder why? Wonder why its so hard to find an AID book?
Yes, stick around here, read a bit, if you find something you disagree, ask your local body of elders whether something is true or a lie. If they say it's a lie, have them prove it. I guarantee you that if you claim anything you read here about the history of the WTS is a lie, someone here can show you proof of what the history of the WTS really is.
many of us here on the board are " inactive" , myself included.
have not attended meetings or gone out in service for years.
i haven't now for 6 years + .
Inactive since 1993. Shunned by my Mother and sisters since 1993. My mother started talking to me after a year. But its strained.
Other dubs have mostly shunned me, however I have a very good response from one man who is the father of one of my best friends. My buddy is DF, but his dad *was* an elder (he stepped down). His dad and mom always are happy to see me, smiling, and hugs, the whole nine yards. I consider them true christians. I would suggest that its due to the fact that their son and are were tight since 8 yrs old, but i doubt that has anything to do with it. I think they are just genuinely nice people.
My sisters have never once asked how my children are, spoken to my children, asked for a picture of my children, returned a phone call, or shown any sort of common courtesy. Their husbands are the same way. My sisters put off having children until the new system.
My mother is very negative. Always some critical point of view, has made comments on how wonderful the jw children are contrasted to my children. She doesn't view my step children as family at all. She is one fucked up regular pioneer. My last visit with her (actually, she doesn't call or visit, I call and visit her) she spent about 5 minutes at the beginning of the visit telling me how bad an example I am (I smoke) and how she worries for my children and believes that we are all doomed.
On the other hand, she's the one who took a handful of pills right before thanksgiving. Both my sisters have attempted suicide at least once (i'm not in "the loop" so there may be more than one occasion). My oldest sister has cheated on her hubby at least once, been knocked up by some other guy, and has been checked into rehab at least once.
Am I missing anything by not having that clean, wholesome, upbuilding association? I think not. I shall continue my bad habits, sleep in on sundays, teach my children not to judge based on looks, but to treat everyone by the golden rule.
F the Society!
i know some posters here went through or are going through some painful things right now because of no longer believing when they have a husband / wife that still does.
others were able to free the minds of their spouse.
i'm assuming the latter is a lot more rare.. anyone that wishes to share their story, please do.. i'm looking to pass the info on to someone who doesn't totally believe, but may marry a jw.
My wife started slutting about and I finally divorced her when I couldn't take it any longer. Apparently, she was slutting about prior to marriage, but I didn't realize it. Oh well, she would have slutted about JW or not. lol.
My 2nd wife is non-jw, doesn't like jw, and has been thoroughly disgusted by their unchristian behavior in various dealings (family dealings for the most part with my immediate family who basically shun me).
So, if you have 2 people who truly care about each other, it can survive leaving the witnesses (I know of several), otherwise if one or both are self centered twits, it wont work, but it wont work as dubs either, it may just take longer to fall apart. My opinion only.
i left town after the court case for a fresh start , it was 18 months before dubs knocked on my door , so i told them why i was not interested in their message , aswell as the watchtower payouts in may 2007 ,with gag orders attached , they seemed quite shocked by that but warned me to be carefull what information i read on the web !
i told them that in america they do not make up the news !
they seemed quite shocked about what happened to my child but said it would have ben an isolated case !
Damn, there's a "brother" in Slatington, PA whose first name is Ray. He's old now, but my ex mother in law was raped by him, as was her sister. Of course, no one believed them. Hard to find 2 witnesses for a child molestation case (clever little pedophiles). I really should find out if he's still there, my mother attends that hall.
In addition, a JW from Pottsville PA was charged with sexually assaulting "Mini-Mouse" at disney world. A friend of mine who attends that hall brought it to my attention... here's a link... A good JW.
http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=152191
Lastly, I know of several others.
well lets get off to a good start for the year by using jesus to justify staying with your abusive husband:.
thursday, january 3. when [jesus] was being reviled, he did not go reviling in return.
when he was suffering, he did not go threatening.-1 pet.
I remember sitting in the library at the age of 14 hearing one elder tell my mother she must give her abusive husband his due. I believe I told my mother that elder is a fucking asshole.
