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  Jim Jones

  by Bill Covert in

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  major newsweek article today.

  the attorney jim jones drugged.

  his name was gene chaikin.

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  hoser

  Cults are powerful and very intelligent people can still be victims of manipulation
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  JW's were born and built through primitive religions dynamics

  by Victor in

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  russel and his followers were a byproduct of the religious orthodoxy revolt that originated in europe.

  this revolution of ideas crossed over to america seeding all the fringe groups who russel then became a part of.

  this resistance to the establishment is similar to what we have seen recently with the q annon phenomena.

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  LongHairGal

  The only power they have over you is what you allow them to have.

  We’re not invited to that many gatherings but we’re not missing out. Say something wrong in front of some jws and find yourself being berated in the back room on Thursday night.

  It just isnt worth the hassle to attend those gatherings. There are other things to do in life.
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  Missed opportunity of Jehovah’s Witnesses

  by Abraham1 in

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  jesus had foretold that people of "last days" would “faint out of fear” because of things such as “sea-level rise’ as part of “signs of last days” in luke 21:25. bible translators—including new world translation of jehovah’s witnesses—missed the real meaning as they translated it as “roaring of the sea and its agitation.” (https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/nwt/books/luke/21/).

  more careful translations such as niv put it: “roaring and tossing of the sea.” (https://biblehub.com/luke/21-25.htm) word for “tossing” is σάλου (salou), from saino; i.e., billow,” (swell outwards).

  thus underlying thought is like balloon swelling, or water flowing outwards, as though ready to roll over, thus points to the modern terminology “sea-level rise.” biblos interlinear translation (int:) translates it as “of [the] sea and rolling surge.” “rolling sea.” (a greek lexicon to the new testament, edward robinson (d.d., page 416) (a greek lexicon to the new testament on the basis of dr. robinson ... by c. robson).. jesus’ original use of the wording “tossing of the sea” is another way of saying “sea-level would rise” as a result of pollution of air.

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  I might retract my earlier statement. Climate change nut jobs would never drive around aimlessly in field serve us each and every Saturday morning.
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  So I was at a jw wedding and guess what!

  by nowwhat? in

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  the major topic of conversation was that almost all do not want to go back to the meetings and field service!

  and we are talking very zealous and active witnesses!

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  hoser

  To motivate the sheep to attend physical meetings they will have to threaten to take away fake privileges or come up with some new fake privileges for those that attend.
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  JW's were born and built through primitive religions dynamics

  by Victor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  russel and his followers were a byproduct of the religious orthodoxy revolt that originated in europe.

  this revolution of ideas crossed over to america seeding all the fringe groups who russel then became a part of.

  this resistance to the establishment is similar to what we have seen recently with the q annon phenomena.

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  hoser

  It took me a while to see through all the bullshit but human behaviour makes a lot of sense viewed through a social status lens.
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  JW's were born and built through primitive religions dynamics

  by Victor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  russel and his followers were a byproduct of the religious orthodoxy revolt that originated in europe.

  this revolution of ideas crossed over to america seeding all the fringe groups who russel then became a part of.

  this resistance to the establishment is similar to what we have seen recently with the q annon phenomena.

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  hoser

  Prestige. That’s how the organization gets the free labour.

  Is it really any different than a business giving a willing worker title of “manager” then effectively cutting his wages by putting him on a salary
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  So I was at a jw wedding and guess what!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the major topic of conversation was that almost all do not want to go back to the meetings and field service!

  and we are talking very zealous and active witnesses!

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  I think the governing body are aware of that so the guilting and shaming must begin.

  The governing body update number 9 is about how great the governing body is and why we should go back to meetings if we are approved to do so. They also mentioned “look how nice we are as we will have both zoom and physical meetings”.

  Once the physical meetings start up they will do their best to task the middle managers( elders) to shame the proletariat to attend physical meetings.

  The governing body are well aware that they can’t stop zoom cold turkey or most of the dubs will quit. They need to arrange things to get the elders and publishers to coerce the hold outs to come back to the meetings.

  Peer pressure works well and others do your dirty work for you.
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  JW's were born and built through primitive religions dynamics

  by Victor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  russel and his followers were a byproduct of the religious orthodoxy revolt that originated in europe.

  this revolution of ideas crossed over to america seeding all the fringe groups who russel then became a part of.

  this resistance to the establishment is similar to what we have seen recently with the q annon phenomena.

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  hoser

  Many don’t see the caste system in the jw religion though. It’s all about appearing spiritual, the org even references “having a visible share in the ministry”. Most don’t see how badly they’re being f&*#ed over by this religion.

  It uses up a lot of life’s resources(both money and time) to be a somebody in the organization. And you are still a nobody because they moved the goalposts on you again.

  To be part of the club you need to drive the right car(four doors), take the right vacation (international conventions or bethel tours)and have an approved spouse(elder or pioneer)
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  Missed opportunity of Jehovah’s Witnesses

  by Abraham1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus had foretold that people of "last days" would “faint out of fear” because of things such as “sea-level rise’ as part of “signs of last days” in luke 21:25. bible translators—including new world translation of jehovah’s witnesses—missed the real meaning as they translated it as “roaring of the sea and its agitation.” (https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/nwt/books/luke/21/).

  more careful translations such as niv put it: “roaring and tossing of the sea.” (https://biblehub.com/luke/21-25.htm) word for “tossing” is σάλου (salou), from saino; i.e., billow,” (swell outwards).

  thus underlying thought is like balloon swelling, or water flowing outwards, as though ready to roll over, thus points to the modern terminology “sea-level rise.” biblos interlinear translation (int:) translates it as “of [the] sea and rolling surge.” “rolling sea.” (a greek lexicon to the new testament, edward robinson (d.d., page 416) (a greek lexicon to the new testament on the basis of dr. robinson ... by c. robson).. jesus’ original use of the wording “tossing of the sea” is another way of saying “sea-level would rise” as a result of pollution of air.

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  hoser

  I would have to agree with you on this one. Fear of climate change sells.

  The watchtower should look at trying to recruit climate change fanatics. They would be a good fit in the religion.
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  JW's were born and built through primitive religions dynamics

  by Victor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  russel and his followers were a byproduct of the religious orthodoxy revolt that originated in europe.

  this revolution of ideas crossed over to america seeding all the fringe groups who russel then became a part of.

  this resistance to the establishment is similar to what we have seen recently with the q annon phenomena.

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  hoser

  Thanks for your comments Victor. Social class is the elephant in the room for many people and some don’t even understand how it all works. There is a reason they don’t teach this stuff in high school. There would be total societal chaos.

  This is a vital part of life where ignorance isn’t bliss. People squander their entire lives trying to be someone in organizations be it work, clubs or religion and only serve to enrich their masters.