Posts by leo999

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Fighting the Cult of the Watchtower Good or Bad? Does it Give Your Life Some Meaning?

by frankiespeakin in

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ever since i left this mind control cult i have continued to offer resistance in what ever ways i thought good at the time.. but i'm faced with the question: is it good or bad idea?

or how far should i go and to what lengths should i go in my efforts to fight this cult?.

i think being a jw for 29 years has defined a large chunk of my life and to just try to forget about it may be a big mistake.

leo999

Hi frankie ,

I know exactly what you mean ! I have spent all my life 50 years , in the cult and just woken up recently and sometimes there is just so much anger , although i tell myself that this is a destructive emotion . I do have new freinds and hobbies now which have helped enomously . But I find myself trying to think of things to do to work against the Borg .What methods are you using and have they had any success ? As I still have family in , I am having to be subtle , so open to ideas if you care to share ...I think however that everyone that exits has to walk whatever path they feel is best to help them heal and move on , and that is a different thing for each person . Maybe had I spent only a few years in , I wouldnt feel so bad .
leo999

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Elders dont know much !!

by leo999 in

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one of the reasons that i started to 'wake up' from 50 odd years of slumbering in the 'truth' was the realization that the elders just do not know very much at all .

in fact they are so very ignorant !.

2 years ago , i was trying to fill in the advance blood directive form , or whatever it is called and i had the km insert on the allowable fractions to refer to .

leo999

Yes , Blues Brother ,

I think what disapointed me the most , was his inability to just sit down , discuss and reason with me on the subject . After two or three questions , it became obvious that he didnt know diddly squat lol .This was a life and death matter for me , and for every JW after all ..I asked him about Lev 17 :15 , and discussed the context of it , and asked him. what about 'dead blood ' as I called it ? Could a blood transfusion be ' dead blood ' as it didnt come from a living creature/person . He sat there in silence , reading and rereading that passage , then sheepishly admitted he had never read that ever before .He just didnt know what to say , and said he would check it out and get back to me . 2 weeks later he handed me a list of WT articles to look up , that failed to really answer what I wanted to know .

Shortly afterwards I discoved the UN / NGO thing and that was the start of the falling dominos .........

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Elders dont know much !!

by leo999 in

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friends

one of the reasons that i started to 'wake up' from 50 odd years of slumbering in the 'truth' was the realization that the elders just do not know very much at all .

in fact they are so very ignorant !.

2 years ago , i was trying to fill in the advance blood directive form , or whatever it is called and i had the km insert on the allowable fractions to refer to .

leo999

@ Old Hippie , Yes , I probably did ask him questions that only a medical dr could answer , but in those days , I did expect him to know more as he had offered to the group to help us fill in our forms and if people had any questions to ask him .

Is it true that one can take all the fractions apart and that is ok , but take them together and add H2O and it is not allowed ?

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Elders dont know much !!

by leo999 in

jw
friends

one of the reasons that i started to 'wake up' from 50 odd years of slumbering in the 'truth' was the realization that the elders just do not know very much at all .

in fact they are so very ignorant !.

2 years ago , i was trying to fill in the advance blood directive form , or whatever it is called and i had the km insert on the allowable fractions to refer to .

leo999

Of course , and on the point of whose laws we follow , I asked my mum the question .....' If the society says one thing , but the Bible says something different , which would you obey ?' She said the Society !! I was gobsmacked ! She has been a JW since the 50's and I know she will never change , but others who have said the Bible when asked this question are no longer trapped by this Cult .

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Elders dont know much !!

by leo999 in

jw
friends

one of the reasons that i started to 'wake up' from 50 odd years of slumbering in the 'truth' was the realization that the elders just do not know very much at all .

in fact they are so very ignorant !.

2 years ago , i was trying to fill in the advance blood directive form , or whatever it is called and i had the km insert on the allowable fractions to refer to .

leo999

@ On the way out . No he resigned on health grounds so we heard , but he keeps pretty well .

What can get them really in a knot is to ask about the white cells ! They are not allowed on the Blood card either as a blood component . So , one wants to know about when a woman died in the Bible whilst having a baby ,which probably happened a lot in those days ,, did Jehovah just instruct them to let them baby die also ? No , of course not , there were wet nurses who reared the child .Now explain that each drop of breast milk has over 1 million white cells in . So Jehovah in his love allowed the baby to thrive on donated white blood cells in the breast milk , then how come we cannot take donated white cells to save our life ? They simply cannot answer this . Then ask them ,well whose laws should we follow , Jehovahs who saves lives , or men who would want us to die ? It gets the point across ....:))

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Elders dont know much !!

by leo999 in

jw
friends

one of the reasons that i started to 'wake up' from 50 odd years of slumbering in the 'truth' was the realization that the elders just do not know very much at all .

in fact they are so very ignorant !.

2 years ago , i was trying to fill in the advance blood directive form , or whatever it is called and i had the km insert on the allowable fractions to refer to .

leo999

One of the reasons that I started to 'wake up' from 50 odd years of slumbering in the 'Truth' was the realization that the elders just do not know very much at all . In fact they are so very ignorant !

2 years ago , I was trying to fill in the advance blood directive form , or whatever it is called and I had the KM insert on the allowable fractions to refer to . Now as I had been always an active witness during the years when we bros / sis phoned various food manufacturers to check on whether blood products were used in their ice cream , sausages , chocolate etc etc , I was astounded at how we were now allowed to have these large fractions .

So I cornered our study overseer after the group and asked him about this . We arent to have red cells at all , but the Hemoglobin fraction which was 33 % of the red cell was ok . I asked this poor elder about this . What was the remainder of the red cell I asked ?? What was the other two thirds of the red cell that we couldnt have ?? He gaped at me and said nothing .

No doubt , being the studious type , he thought about it and other blood questions I asked in all innocence at the time , and for which he had no answer except to check bound volumns and cd roms that didnt answer them . He came off being an elder a couple of months later and I always wonder now , if my innocent questions and his lack of answers made him think. I hope so !!

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Artists in Societys publications are working under inspiration?

by donny in

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i saw this in a post from a watchtower facebook page.

a person asks about the discrepancy between the society's illustrations and the actual biblical text.

look at the response for some good humor.. .

leo999

Im just waiting for Nelson to tell us ' sisters ' off for witnessing on the internet lol . Wonder if he will ! Heck , I could easily get pioneer hours in with the time I spend on these sites lol

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Artists in Societys publications are working under inspiration?

by donny in

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friends

i saw this in a post from a watchtower facebook page.

a person asks about the discrepancy between the society's illustrations and the actual biblical text.

look at the response for some good humor.. .

leo999

Hi , Just had to comment on this post as I do want to know if this Nelson is just playing it , or is a real JW ?? Does anyone know as Im on the receiving end of his putting down remarks .If he is real , then I pity the sisters in his cong having to put up with a jerk like him ! I have replied to him , and am wondering if he is going to counsel me furthur lol

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mischievious tricks and cunning plans

by leo999 in

i am in the process of reading steve hassans combatting cult mind control and i'm wondering has anyone here resorted to underhand , sneeky ways to free their loved ones from the jw's ?

how far would you go to free them ?

also has anyone enjoyed playing tricks to get back at the elders , ie dropping cig ends in the kh and dropping apostate tracts in suitcases etc etc.

leo999

I am in the process of reading Steve hassans Combatting Cult mind control and I'm wondering has anyone here resorted to underhand , sneeky ways to free their loved ones from the JW's ? How far would you go to free them ? Also has anyone enjoyed playing tricks to get back at the elders , ie dropping cig ends in the KH and dropping apostate tracts in suitcases etc etc

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Watchtower cleans out Kingdom Hall Library's ...

by RR in

last night i got a call from a chap in the uk, who recently left the jw's.

he wanted to compare notes with his us counterparts.. he said that a few years ago, (i think about 2 years ago) the society cleaned out all the literature from every kingdom hall, particularly russell and rutherford books and anything prior to 1950. giving each hall a computer with the watchtower cd rom for them to use for research.

he wanted to know if the same was done in the states.

leo999

This is an interesting thread . Our KH was extended and remodeled about 18 months ago , and since we were moving house a year before this , we donated a huge amount of bound volumns , older big books to be used in the new library . There had been a small library before in a cramped box room , so we asked that the books/ volumns we donated would be put on display for the studies and people that did not possess a computer and CDRoms. Interestingly ,there were a few years of Awakes Bound Volumns in the 70's that we never could get despite ordering them several times they never came . Did they run out maybe ?

However , 18 months ok there is still no library and we have been told that the library books are now stored in the attic roofspace ! So nobody has access to them now .I am thinking that maybe there has been something quietly said .....