Tell them that their religion is a dangerous cult and they should get out while they still can.
...it could work.
-Sab
sabastious
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Advice on introducing doubts to friend
by gutted ini am asking you for your opinion/advice on questions or ideas to introduce to my friend to make him start doubting the wbts.
no doubt when he sees my new goatee it will be a bit unnerving for him, maybe i could use this as a starting point.
perhaps you have things that have worked others?
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What "invisible" persons do you actually firmly believe in?? (and Why?)
by Terry inimagine that!.
invisible persons!.
from ancient times some of us have imagined there to be living persons that can't be seen but that are more than real!.
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sabastious
I don't believe in invisible beings.
I do believe in Currently Indetectable beings though. There must be other stuff out there that is indetectable to humans. Just like sarcasm is indetectable for insects.
Bad example, but I tried.
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Jehovah correcting the organization
by sabastious inread the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
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sabastious
Still no answer to the bolded question in the OP. This would be the closest you have come to answering it:
What Jehovah's Witnesses teach as to the grand theme of the Bible is unique, has a universal appeal and makes perfect sense to honest hearted individuals, but convincing evidence for God doesn't come strictly from something written in a book or by studying nature for evidence of intelligent design.
The implication here is that one is not an honest hearted individual if the Bible doesn't make perfect sense to them.
And as a side note, evidence of an intellegent designer from nature in no way proves the Bible correct. That assumption is so far out in left field I don't even know how to respond to it really.
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Question for Tec
by Fester inhi tec,.
i'd like to publicly ask you about a few things.
i notice in a lot of your posts you talk about your "faith".. can you define exactly what "faith" is though?
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sabastious
So sebastious, your definition of "faith" is an internal belief which doesn't require an explanation?
One's faith can be enlightening to talk about and disect, but the second one's faith requires external explanation it ceases to be Faith and becomes a Position.
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I feel so discourage
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sabastious
Hang in there it gets better with time. The freedom you will soon feel is immeasurable.
-Sab
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Question for Tec
by Fester inhi tec,.
i'd like to publicly ask you about a few things.
i notice in a lot of your posts you talk about your "faith".. can you define exactly what "faith" is though?
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sabastious
Faith can only be defined as a strong internal belief which requires no external explanation.
If someone feels the need to debate their faith, they don't actually have it.
-Sab
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A Question To All on this Board
by kes152 inhello,.
i have been reading this board for some time and would like to ask: why you come here and post?
what do you all hope to accomplish by being here?.
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sabastious
It's fun.
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Something I've always wondered
by MrFreeze ini'm sure you've heard married witnesses say things like "i wish i had stayed single longer.
" usually they say that in reference to "serving jehovah more fully".
if you are a wife or a child of someone who has ever said that, how does that make you feel?
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sabastious
An Elder with 6 kid's said this at our assembly.....very encouraging experience.......maybe not for his boy's and wife though!!
Wow. Just wow.
-Sab
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Jehovah correcting the organization
by sabastious inread the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
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sabastious
And Alice, you didn't answer the bold question at the end of the post:
"Do you blame anyone for choosing to follow a path seperate from the Governing Body because they feel they can't, in good conscience, follow leaders who they feel have overstepped their God-given boundries and authorities and have no one, or ever will, to answer to in this system of things?"
-Sab
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Jehovah correcting the organization
by sabastious inread the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.
story of jonah would work great too.
the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?
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sabastious
From the same article:
One way to find our place in the congregation and give evidence that we treasure it is to cooperate fully with "the faithful and discreet slave" and its representative Governing Body. (Read Matthew 24:45-47.) We need to examine our response to the direction we receive from the slave class. Over the years, for example, we have received pointed direction on dress and grooming, entertainment, and improper use of the Internet. Do we carefully heed this good counsel so that we are spiritually protected? What about the admonition to establish a regular routine of family worship? Have we taken the advice to heart and set aside an evening for that purpose? If we are single, are we making time for personal study of the Scriptures? Jehovah will bless us individually and as families if we follow the guidance of the slave class.
Interesting you would bring up the point of rebellion. What constitutes rebellion is very loose in the WT framework as shown in the quote above. Not cooperating with the Slave Class is disent to rebellion, which can be something as simple as brazen disregard for their pointed direction on dress and grooming.
Also, whether the Governing Body has indeed stepped over their authority is not the point at all, I'm confused why you would ask for a for instance there. The point is what if it DID happen? Not talking about a single Governing Body member leaving, I am talking about total corruption. You don't deny it is possible within the Slave Class right?
How would it be dealt with if it happened? Would not the Rank and File be forced to follow them into oblivion? How would God intervene? Would he?
So I guess your Copy Paste answer was that the new covenent is wholly different than any arrangement from the Old Testament, including the public disciplinary arrangment of the misuse of power?
Can we just pick and choose what we use from the OT and what we don't use and chalk it up to the "new covenent"?
Did I actually hear you say the Governing Body has very little power? They have the final say. They say jump and you are compelled to say "how high."
In reality a person is free to do anything they want as you obviously have.
An age old fallacious argument. And I think I will let this video offer rebuttal:
http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector#p/u/26/Nv9IvCpiHxA