"A Christian Country" is not as scary it sounds (I hope). Modern Christianity is a pretty tolerate religion these days. But if they are talking more about fundamental Chistianity we are in trouble.
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Glenn Beck
by will_the_apostate indo j dubs like glenn beck?
they seem like peas in a pod to me.
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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves
by cameo-d inthe bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.
"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.
making sound waves visible is called cymatics.
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LET THERE BE LIGHT!
(and there was light)
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Glenn Beck
by will_the_apostate indo j dubs like glenn beck?
they seem like peas in a pod to me.
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Glenn Beck's #1 strength IMO is that he will talk about anything, that would count as he #1 weakness as well so you have to take what he says with a grain of salt.
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Glenn Beck
by will_the_apostate indo j dubs like glenn beck?
they seem like peas in a pod to me.
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beksbks,
The guys is extremely passionate... he's a radical and anyone who hangs on his words are fools... that doesn't mean he has a lot of cool things to say and bring up.
He gets a bad wrap because he can get radical with his words.
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Recognizing Common Pitfalls of False Argumentation - By Ray Franz
by flipper inthere are honest ways of arguing- and dishonest ways of arguing.
in ray franz book " in search of christian freedom " on pg.
437 he quotes some points from " logic and contemporary rhetoric " by howard kahane of bernard baruch college regarding invalid methods used by people who pontificate on the basis of superior wisdom or superior authority.
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They are constantly taking cheap shots at anyone they can outside of the Organization. While criticizing their beliefs they almost always bring it to a personal level by using terms like "wicked" or "weak."
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How WT Apologists at JWN inherently break forum rules. :)
by Essan ini noticed the posting guidelines the other day as i was replying to djeggnog, one of our relentless wt apologists (although he's very unapologetic about it :) and i noticed one rule in particular that got me thinking.. seeing as such jw's are representatives of an organization that falsely claims to solely "represent" a pretty important person - god - and they frequently make the claim here that the org.
represents god on earth and that it's teachings are god's teachings - a claim they have been completely unable to substantiate - then i'm fairly sure they must be in breach of rule 7:.
"impersonating or falsely claiming to represent a person or organization".. so, if ever one was looking for a technicality on which to 'disfellowship' any particularly unpleasant and deceptive society worshipping spammers, then maybe posting guideline 7 might be the way to go.
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I have nothing to apologize for. Are Jehovah's Witnesses defined by a publisher's record that states they're an active publisher? If that technically authenticates their position, so be it. You can't be disfellowshipped for anything internet related unless it's illegal. If you draw on the Bible principles you actively oppose to misrepresent a person, what's that make you?
I observe this person's right to be here, but it doesn't change the fact that I truly despise this one.
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Watchtower's Jesus = Michael doctrine
by Ding ini've never really understood the watchtower's teaching on jesus being michael.
here is what i understand they teach:.
1. jehovah's first creation was the archangel michael.. 2. jesus was nothing more than a perfect man, not michael the archangel in human form.. 3. rather, when jesus was conceived in mary, michael went out of existence and his impersonal life force was put into jesus (analogous to sharing the same pacemaker).. 4. when jesus died, his impersonal life force went back into a recreated archangel michael.. .
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The way I see it is there should be no need for "sleuthing" the Bible to figure out that Jesus actually has a heavenly role as Michael the Archangel. If they were the same, it would be CLEARLY spelled out.
Just my two cents.
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Watchtower's Jesus = Michael doctrine
by Ding ini've never really understood the watchtower's teaching on jesus being michael.
here is what i understand they teach:.
1. jehovah's first creation was the archangel michael.. 2. jesus was nothing more than a perfect man, not michael the archangel in human form.. 3. rather, when jesus was conceived in mary, michael went out of existence and his impersonal life force was put into jesus (analogous to sharing the same pacemaker).. 4. when jesus died, his impersonal life force went back into a recreated archangel michael.. .
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bh 218-219:
Who Is Michael the Archangel?
THE spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?” But who is Michael?
At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion.
Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.
Army Leader.The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7; Matthew 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.
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More information showing that the name Michael applies to God’s Son is found in Volume 2, pages 393-4, of Insight on the Scriptures, published by Jehovah’s Witnesses.-Sab
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How WT Apologists at JWN inherently break forum rules. :)
by Essan ini noticed the posting guidelines the other day as i was replying to djeggnog, one of our relentless wt apologists (although he's very unapologetic about it :) and i noticed one rule in particular that got me thinking.. seeing as such jw's are representatives of an organization that falsely claims to solely "represent" a pretty important person - god - and they frequently make the claim here that the org.
represents god on earth and that it's teachings are god's teachings - a claim they have been completely unable to substantiate - then i'm fairly sure they must be in breach of rule 7:.
"impersonating or falsely claiming to represent a person or organization".. so, if ever one was looking for a technicality on which to 'disfellowship' any particularly unpleasant and deceptive society worshipping spammers, then maybe posting guideline 7 might be the way to go.
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That's funny, but lets not sink to their level. Let them be here, I like having a community that wont kick them out even though theirs kicked us out.
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In the past, FAKE newspaper coverage of WT "International Conventions" in the US
by AndersonsInfo inmany people that post or lurk here at jwn are too young to remember some of the huge international conventions jws held many years ago, but probably have seen impressive photos such as of the 1958 eight-day convention held simultaneously at new yorks yankee stadium and polo grounds.
especially remarkable was the tremendous newspaper coverage of that assembly and other special conventions held in the 1940s and 50s in the united states.
yesterday, when i downloaded somebodys old scrapbook full of long-ago newspaper articles, http://www.archive.org/details/watchtowernewsscrapbook,reporting on jehovahs witnesses so-called international conventions, i couldnt help but remember what i wrote regarding extraordinary newspaper convention coverage in my www.freeminds.org article, how jehovahs witnesses watchtower religion impacted my family history, part 3 and thought id share the information here on jwn for those who are not familiar with how such wonderful coverage came about.
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This story has unethical written all over it. I feel ashamed to have been a part of this deceptive organization :(
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