Posts by notverylikely

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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves

by cameo-d in

the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.

"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.

making sound waves visible is called cymatics.

notverylikely

And what I understood dear GaryNeal to be saying is that you need matter to create matter... in spite of what the article states (that scientists created matter out of "nothing", i.e., light/energy, which is not matter, but merely a force that MOVES matter...)

Energy can be changed into matter and vice versa. A photon has no rest mass but carry elctromagentic energy and radiation. Light is not "merely" a force that moves matter.

Yes, massLESS... meaning it isn't matter. Yet, per the article, when several PHOTONS collided... matter (mass) occurred. "Something" (matter) came out of "nothing" (non-matter).

That's not what massless means. It has no rest mass. It a particle with energy. The energy is converted into matter. Energy is NOT "nothing"

My understanding is that He is the only thing that didn't.

Then neither did the universe. God came into existence when it did.

He did that... when He said, "Let there be light," and then through that light... the physical world came into existence.

Sorry, I beleive that the light created god and then he hid in the shadows. That's what the dark spots are in the sky. Althought earlier you thought it was the vibrations from his breath.

I do need to point out, however, that in all that you addressed you didn't address the creation of something out of "nothing" by the scientists...

Yes I did. Matter and energy are different forms of the same thing. Photons contain energy (which is not "nothing") that can be turned into matter.

Meaning, you didn't address even the possibility that Christ is the light... energy... "photon"... through which all matter... and the physical world... came into existence. Wanna go there with me? Because, given that possibility, I believe the thread will get even more interesting.

Sure, if you beleive that a photon is "nothing" and you just called christ a photon, you are calling christ nothing. If you do accept that a photon is contains energy then the scientists didn't "create" anything and converted energy to matter (the reverse happens every day). Of course, I wasn't talking about christ, I was addressing photons and matter.

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Let's settle this for once and for all...... is atheism a belief, a non-belief or an anti-belief?

by Quillsky in

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my opinion is that atheism is not a belief.

it is a belief in no belief..

notverylikely

Atheist - no belief in God (creator of universe)

Are Hindus atheists? They don't belive in God...

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The Higher Power of my understanding ...

by The Berean in

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after observing several generations of former jws battle with the process of moving on in life it is my opinion that until one replaces the power named jehovah with an optional explanation of spirituality it is difficult to completley purge the influence which lingers.. so to any who wish to share, i ask, who or what is now the "god or force of your understanding"?.

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Let's settle this for once and for all...... is atheism a belief, a non-belief or an anti-belief?

by Quillsky in

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my opinion is that atheism is not a belief.

it is a belief in no belief..

notverylikely

I think it depends on the person. I atheism can be summed up as SixofNine said, "we are both atheist, I just beleive in one less god than you". It's not so much faith that the Judeo-Christian god doesn't exists, but rather non-belief in ANY god or spirits or supernatural being based on lack of evidence. A god or supernatural creature could always choose to provide me with the evidence that would convice me.

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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves

by cameo-d in

the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.

"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.

making sound waves visible is called cymatics.

notverylikely

and creating matter (i.e., electron (-) and positron (+)), right?

No. You are not creating anything, just changing it.

Everything in the universe "vibrates" in an AETHER, which is also known as "plasma", which makes up 99 percent of space.

That is ridiculous, an old theory that has zero evidence.

If you want a glimpse of our potential, look at the dolphins and their telepathic communciations.

Huh? Dolphins communicate through sound....

But a photon isn't matter, is it? Isn't it non-matter, a force/carrier?

A photon is massless energy.

Ummm, yeah. Something "wrong" with that, dear NVL (the greatest of love and peace to you... and how YOU doin'?)...

Yes, God is unobersvable and you can't perform experiments on him, so he can't fall into the realm of science. And I am doing OK, given all that's been going on, thanks for asking :)

I was thinking in terms of, say, the "gas" (air) that, for example, causes the sun to burn.

Gravity causes hydrogen to fuse into helium, the gasses aren't "burning" in the sense that a fire burns. Fusion reactions realease a LOT of stored energy.

My apologies, dear one, and I get it that my "drivel" here may sound "stupid," but I just don't buy that everything came out of absolutely nothing... other than to say that "nothing" was actually "something."

So where did god come from? His origin would be as unknowable as the beginning of the universe, wouldn't it? I mean, if EVERYTHING had a beginning, then he had to have had one...

The grasp of basic science on this thread makes me weep...

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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves

by cameo-d in

the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.

"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.

making sound waves visible is called cymatics.

notverylikely

Not that I'm knowledgeable about this subject or a great many things relating to "science," but wouldn't God "saying".... cause air?

Shelby, really? Did you just use the word science when talking about god talking in a vacum? You know I loves you, but really?

I mean, when WE speak air emits from within us. We call it "breath." True, it's more carbon dioxide than oxygen when it leaves us, bit it's still a form of air.

We aren't creating the air. It's a by-product of the air we took in.

is it possible that the "air" came from within Him? HIS breath?

Without the pre-existng air, where did HIS breath come from?

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Based on Teel's JC thread why dont we all sue them?

by Lozhasleft in

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teel's thread re his jc and his lawyer's advice has made me think....why dont all of us disfellowshipped ones sue the org for defamation of character????.

imagine if we could find a lawyer who'd be prepared to start a suit against them on behalf of us all?.

any thoughts?.

notverylikely

Thomas Edison once said - " I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. "

Thomas Edison was an inventor trying new things with new science. The case law and precedent that works in the WT's favor goes back over 150 years. There is nothing new to work with.

Although Watchtower won cases against its victims, we have lesson learned.

Yes, that there is over 150 years of case law that works in their favor.

One thing I've learned that we should avoid positions that Watchtower could twist into its disciplinary action (including the term disfellowshipping) and internal church policy issue, because court cases with such argument don't work for the victims.

Then what other issue is there that you could sue them over?

Has anyone heard of class action lawsuit against Watchtower before?

Don't know about class action, but they tend to settle out of court quite a bit, particularly when it related to pedophile issues.

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Is Jehovah a Primate?

by Cold Steel in

the scriptures attest that adam was made is made in god's image, "after his likeness.

" and seth was in adam's "own likeness, after his image.

" the question becomes: since we're all primates, what does this tell us about jehovah?

notverylikely

then logic would follow that God created woman because he was disappointed in man

I know. You think he would get better with practice...

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Water cloud over the earth? Anyone remember this teaching?

by QuestioningEverything in

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having a discussion with my sister and she remembers that there used to be a teaching that the earth had a watercloud over it and that's how we got rain.

anyone else remember this?

i vaguely do..

notverylikely

So to believe this model, we must explain how noah build the ark in total darkness in a giant preasure cooker while he inhaled toxic fumes.

Miracle. Why do you hate miracles?

Secondly, high-energy particles from the sun would cause it to be destroyed and blown away.

Duh, ice is reflecting, that's why we can see Venus and Saturn so well. It REFRACTS the particles.

I may have been making all of that up.

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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves

by cameo-d in

the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.

"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.

making sound waves visible is called cymatics.

notverylikely

I thought the rate of vibration was determined by the twisty knob on the bottom?