Posts by notverylikely

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Science Channel had very interesting program on the Star of Bethlehem last night -

by JWoods in

this is apparantly still a great theological/archeological/astronomical mystery (at least for those who insist on the literal truth of the story).

this show did not try to deny the legend - rather, it brought up several theories by modern historical astronomers as to what this "star" might actually have been -.

of the several theories, these seemed to be the main candidates:.

notverylikely

I've seen that show. Agree, it was good. They had one about the historicity of David too. That one was awesome. Taken literally, it pointed out what a muderous, greedy opportunist he was.

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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves

by cameo-d in

the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.

"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.

making sound waves visible is called cymatics.

notverylikely

Well, okay, if you believe the discussion needs to deteriorate to that...

You admitted that. Re-iterating what you yourself said is not detiorating a discussion.

You don't believe that there are things of this physical world... "science"... that can explain God... or things attributed to God? I'm sorry, but I don't totally agree with that...

That's not at all what I was saying and to suggest it was is .... interesting. In any event, whether you agree with it or not, science hasn't found god.

That very statement shows me that you don't have a CLUE what I'm speaking of. There is NOWHERE that I said my Lord created everything with light.

You're right. You said God flashed it into existence thorugh christ who was a photon. That also has no scientific backing.

That same premise can be applied... if Christ is light. Something (the physical universe) came OUT of nothing (the light that is Christ).

So jesus is photons smashing together? is THAT your premise?

No, you don't. You are chagrined that I am bothering to enter into unknown territory... YOUR territory... and so you wish/need to set me straight. No problem, I don't mind - as I stated, I don't know science. I do know God, though, but find it funny that you are unwilling to grant me to same... ummmm... regard.

I am not chagrined at all. Science is repeatable, observable and open to scrutiny and better ideas. You claim to speak to god through dreams and deny what others say about him that hear on the inside at all. You are trying to merge science with YOUR theology that is unverifiable. When there is falsifiable and repeatable experiments that your theology is right, I'll happily believe it. Science and knowledge isn't about GRANTING anyone anything, it's about data and experimentation. When you wander into the realm of science, anything you put forth has to meet the criteria. Fits observations, falsifiable, repeatable.

No, and I didn't intend it to be. I wasn't even thinking to use Christ to prove science is right, dear one. My position is that science may prove that Christ is the light that God used to create the physical universe. What's the concern?

The poor understanding of science and math that seems to be so common.

Well, then, I guess that puts us on equal ground, then, yes? Because I know about as much about physics as you know about the Most Holy One of Israel. Yet, you believe you can use what YOU "know"... to explain away what you DON'T know. How are we different, I must ask?

Equal? What I know is able to be observed by anyone, learned, repeated. What you know comes to you in dreams and differs from others that claim to get info from the same god in the same way. In what way is that "equal"? I mean, in another thread someone was quoting a langston hughes story where he describes HIS spiritualty and you said parts of his experience were wrong. But they were right to him. You dismissed his experience with hubris and arrogance.

No, those positions aren't equal. Once is subject to scrutiny and testing and proof. The other is subject to what you happen to dream about.

I have to say, though, your very thorough lesson notwithstanding... nothing changed for me.

Well, you can learn or not. The choice is up to you.

Ummm... so you missed the part about the account NOT being about the sun/moon/stars... you know, physical luminaries? C'mon, man... at least I TRIED to read the dang article. The least you could have done was checked to see WHAT "light" was being referred to...

No, I didn't miss it. I just don't think that a sheepherder 4000 years ago had any idea what light was or how it worked. I mean, heck, they thought a woman menstruating made her unclean and not to be touched. They thought raping a girl was a reason to marry her. They thought beating a slave to death was OK as long as it took them a day or two to die. Do you believe those things as well? if not, why not?

Heck, you already told me you thought parts of the bible are wrong. why not the parts where they get science wrong?

Oh, NOW who's talking what they don't know??

You. Still. Nothing about jesus being made out of photons or god making breath create stuff is in the bible. That is at best interpretation laid on top of an interpretation of a translation of an error filled copy of a copy of a copy of an ancient book that was redacted and merged over and over.

I bid you peace, dear NVL, truly. And some calm. Don't feel so threatened when someone ventures into "your" territory.

Threatened? I'm not threatened. I'm sad at how utterly little people know and how little they WANT to know. I would venture that I know at LEAST as much as you about the bible and the bible writers and the history of god and jesus.

Which would defeat what SHOULD be your purpose: to teach them what you believe YOU know about it. Right?

Sure, but I can't make you learn. Rather than learn, you absorb and twist science in Jesus. That's not learning.

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Voluptuous Vixens Looking to Lose!

by StAnn in

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thanks to beks for the title.. i can't stand being a fatty-fat-fatty anymore.

my son is getting married, allegedly next fall, and i want to look good for the wedding.

and i want to look good for myself.

notverylikely

NVL, my doctor recommended South Beach because I'm diabetic. We'll see if she's right!

Ah, well, good then. I generally avoid sugar other than in fruits anyway.

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Voluptuous Vixens Looking to Lose!

by StAnn in

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thanks to beks for the title.. i can't stand being a fatty-fat-fatty anymore.

my son is getting married, allegedly next fall, and i want to look good for the wedding.

and i want to look good for myself.

notverylikely

south beach is a good start, but in my experience (70+ lbs lost) you don't ON a diet, you CHANGE your diet AND lifestyle.

Good luck! I started with south beach and eventually moved off of it so I could enjoy pretty much everything in moderation coupled with mostly healthy eating and regular exercise.

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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves

by cameo-d in

the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.

"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.

making sound waves visible is called cymatics.

notverylikely

And i have to say, shelby, that you shouldn't take these as personal attacks but it does seem disingenuous when you claim no understanding, then when you are corrected about something you repeated you claim you were just repeating it and you suddenly know all kinds of stuff but still don't understand the article.

BTW, if the scientists really CAN create something out of "nothing" like God did....wouldn't that make him a God?

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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves

by cameo-d in

the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.

"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.

making sound waves visible is called cymatics.

notverylikely

I agree with that. I only called it "nothing" to make my point, as there are those who apparently believe energy is "nothing", for instance, the scientists in the article who claimed to have made matter "out of nothing." Get my drift?

The scientists don't beleive that. It's an expression, like saying you created something out of thin air. I DO get the drift that you didn't know much or ANY of this before you started this discussion and have continutally been corrected, which leads me to...

Ah, yes, sarcasm... even when someone admits their ignorance of a subject and attempts to have an honest discussion, albeit presenting a differing point of view

You've been ignorant os science and what the words and ideas and fact are and continually try to fit god into them. You started with god "speaking" things into existence via sound and now it's jesus created everything with light. The sarcasm comes in because when you try to take ideas that you CLEARLY don't understand and use them to explain something unproveable, you might as well claim the easter bunner pooped out eggs that contained pure photons that made the universe when they hatched. Nevermind that rabbits are rodent mammals that don't lay eggs and where did the rabbit come from anyway.....

So... mature.

So I should say to you..."Learn." I appreciate that you are trying, but reading a short article and fitting it into a pre-existing theology ain't science, kid.

so, in their minds... "nothing"? But perhaps you know something the scientists didn't... and I would be more than happy to hear about it, if you care to share...

I knew enough to recognize a colloquialism.

It is not I who said a photon is nothing. I only quoted the article. Hence, the quotation marks. My position, however, as I stated above, is that "something" cannot come from "nothing"

I guess that's my point, you didn't understand the article because you don't have the neccasry knowledge and background.

It stated "create". But perhaps you know something these physicists/science writer doesn't know?

*sigh*.... no, I just understood the article.

May I ask you, please... why do YOU think people so long ago would write that the first thing "God" said "let there be"... was "light"?

Because in the dawn there is light before you can actually see the sun. It's not that hard.

But in case you didn't get it, my position is that, contrary to previous believe... and evidently some belief here... pure energy CAN create matter.

Who doesn't believe matter can come from energy? Can you define "pure engergy" and differentiate it from just regular energy?

And Christ is the pure energy... or light... through which all matter... or the physical universe... was created.

The bible never says christ is pure energy. It says he is a spirit. spirits are invisible. he is the light metaphorically as in "I can see the truth" in your mind's eye.

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SERIOUS QUESTION: just how many demons will fit inside a person?

by Terry in

are demons big or little?

do they take up space?.

do they infest our cells and peer out like they are trapped inside a jelly bean?.

notverylikely

Seventeen, Terry.

By "demon" i mean "beer", of course.

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How do you handle the wickedness going on today?

by stillin9 in

we know in the jw realm, satan is believed to be the main cause of all the wickedness going on in our world today.

after taking a quick look at news headlines, and seeing the crap going on around us, i personally don't find that so hard to believe.

but i wanted to see how you guys handle the tragedies and wickedness going on around us?

notverylikely

Same as all the wickedness going on since animals have existed. Eat a healthy diet, get plenty of exercise, stay well hydrated and use a lubricant when necessary.

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Water cloud over the earth? Anyone remember this teaching?

by QuestioningEverything in

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having a discussion with my sister and she remembers that there used to be a teaching that the earth had a watercloud over it and that's how we got rain.

anyone else remember this?

i vaguely do..

notverylikely

"Why do you hate miracles?" Because I am an intelligent creature with reasoning skills beyond that of the common housecat or monkey. I see science, not god, in every day life. It is miraculous in the sense that it is a wonder to behold. From the tone of your question, it seems that miracle=intervention from a deity. That is another Tooth-Fairy I've outgrown.

Really? Did no one see the "I may have been making all of that up" at the bottom? The puposeful misuse of refracts and reflects?

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The Word: Earth Created by Sound Waves

by cameo-d in

the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.

"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.

making sound waves visible is called cymatics.

notverylikely

notverylikely, O Earthbound One, how do you think thousands of fish, or locusts, or any large group of living things move in perfect unison?

They don't.They move in schools via line of sight, sensing the change of the movement of the fish next to them via changes in the water and pheromones. It's well documented. Oh, and dolphin are not fish. They are mammals.

And if "any large group of living things" (your words) then I should expect to see the crowd at Wal-mart move in perfect unison on Black Friday. They are both large and a large group.

I bet you don't believe in ESP either.... or is it witchcraft?

Is there a reason I should?

Old theory my ass. It's a plasma universe. Maybe there are enough references for you here.

http://www.plasma-universe.com/99.999%25_plasma

Your ass is made of an old theory? Fine. That's cool I guess. However, you said that 99% of "space" was made up of plasma. That article specifically talked about observable matter in an ionized state. Observable matter makes up about 20% of the observable universe, so at best 20% of the MATTER in the universe is plasma, the rest of the MATTER is something else. If you are talking matter in space, average density of matter is about 1 atom/cm^3. In perspective, there are about 100380000000000000000000 atoms in a cubic centimeter of water. If you were talking about MATTER, it's at best about 20%, presuming all matter that is observable is ionized. If you are talking about matter AND space as a single entity, then it's about 9.9621438533572424785813907152819 x 10^-24%, or 0.0000000000000000000000099621438533572424785813907152819% of space/matter being plasma....