i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
He cannot in the sense that He will not - ever - do any unrighteous thing.
He certainly felt regret over what he did on occassion. Does that mean he did the wrong thing? Can you define "unrighteous" for me? Also, that's not what the bible says. I have to ask, how is killing babies children NOT unrighteous?
i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
And you are right. God cannot lie, nor be unrighteous.
So all things are NOT possible with god?
God didn't create humans with original sin. We did that to ourselves. God just set up a plan of salvation for us.
If you believe the bible, he created man with no knowledge of good or bad, then when they chose bad, they were punished. How could they be punished for choosing bad when god clearly witheld that knowldge from them? God said in the very day of their eating they would die, yet according to be bible they did not die that day. If god cannot lie, why didn't they die in that very day?It appears that satan told the truth and god lied.
i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
You can if you're God.
Ta da.
Speaking of "Ta Da!"....
"With God all things are possible ..."
Oh, and god cannot lie or do anything unholy or unrighteous, so clearly not ALL things are possible.
i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
My personal belief?
It can't be both, sylvia. you can't be sort of pregnant.
And seeing the godlessness in the world only goes further in proving that true peace lies in KNOWING God.
Christians have just as many issues as anyone else. I guess we need to define what true peace is.
i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
As to who created God, I like the rendering of the JPS Tanakh, which refers to God as The ETERNAL.
So god has always existed in the stream of time? or is he outside of time?
i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
Creationists have an argument about First Cause. Evolutionists don't.
Of course they don't. That's not their field of study. To suggest otherwise is showing that you are criticizing that which you do not understand. Once you demonstrate your lack of a basic understanding of the thing you are criticizing, any credibility you had in that discussion just went away.
But every theory they have depends on something existing BEFORE the first cause. The big bang is a great example.
Creationists view God as eternal. He is an eternal intelligent being. What do evolutionists have that could be considered "eternal"? Something doesn't come from nothing.
You're first cause is god. you just move the question back a step. The problem is that Christians tend to take two contradictory views on god. One is that he is eternal, which means he is in the flow of time, otherwise "eternal" means nothing. Then they also say that he is outside of time and created it, which means that time means nothing to him, so he can't really be eternal since that is a meaningless term. Either way, the answer "god did it" is a meaningless answer about the origin of the universe since that answer means there can never be anymore knowledge on the subject.
The argument is not tired. Information CANNOT come from nothing.
No one is suggesting it did. Who do you think is suggesting that?
There MUST be some sort of intelligence to cause what we see existing in the universe. From the power of the macrocosm to the fragile detail of the micrcosm, it is inexcusable to not believe in some sort of intelligent design.
Extending that argument out, if god is infinitely more complex and powerful and fragile, then some intelligence must have designed him.
i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
I respectfully submit that I read nothing elitist in Bro Dan's posts.
IMO, he's simply making his Christian feelings known.
I have not put forward an elitist ideology. I have commented on what the Bible says about those that do not believe in God. That's all.
Eh..you kind of are, Dan. Telling a whole group of people that they can't really be content or happy because they don't beleive in the same god you do? Let's try a fun game....
Followers of Baal can't be happy because they reject the supreme god marduk.
Followers of zeus can't be happy because they reject poseidon.
Followers of Ra can't be happy because they reject Thor.
Followers of Jesus can't be happy because they reject Yahweh.
Gay men can't be happy because they will never know intimacy with a woman.
Black people can't be happy unless we white people help them direct their lives.
Buddhists can't be happy because they reject Allah.
Muslims can't be happy because they reject Shiva.
i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.
this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.
you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.
Dan....you know I like you. I think it's apparent to all on the forum that I AM an atheist, and certainly NOT because of the WT. I was questioning belief in god when I was six. Having said that, I think I have made it clear many times that I will never tell anyone THEY shouldn't believe in god. I don't, but that's me. You form YOUR beliefs and I'll respect them, but I also ask that you do the same for me.
With respect to your question about whether or not atheists are content and judge them not to be so....doesn't the bible say that god is the judge of mens hearts? It's certainly not you, my friend. I don't think you realize just how insulting and it is and how condescending it sounds to tell an entire groups of people that you have judged them as unhappy despite what they believe and faulty in their beliefs.
With regard to the bible and terry...a lot of what terry posts IS accurate, particularly about the bible being redacted, re-writted and changed over the years. And you have to tell me which bible you mean, there are more versions that just the catholic version that most of christianity uses today. If I believe the bible is unerrant, then i have other christians telling me jesus or god spoke to them and to ignore the bible. others say which part of the bible to believe and which to toss. Who to believe?
Moving on...
Lack of evidence of God, IMO, is a copout. You have not been everywhere in the universe to see if there is a God.
It's not a copout at all. I can say "I believe there is no BrotherDan". If you in fact exist, you can create a post, send me a PM, email me, call me, have a beer with me, write a book, go on TV, etc. God does none of those things despite the fact that according to ancient texts, he used to do that all the time. Surely an all powerful god cannot be less powerful than you at revealing himself.
To go beyond this statement is to have a certain amount of faith that there CANNOT be a God.
Not at all my friend. It's more like "Until god chooses to give me proof of his existence I see no reason to believe in him.
It's this same sort of faith that causes me to see a house and have faith that someone built it. It's the same sort of faith that causes me to see the beauty and magesty of a tree and have faith that someone built that.
That's a matter of faith, not of fact, and I do not begrudge you that faith.
OTOH, don't tell me I am lacking because I don't share it.
He spoke to me and told me you were going to do that.
the bible metaphorically tells us that the earth (universe, and other worlds) were spoken into existence.
"god said" and then, so it was.. whatever our creator is, it generates a frequency.
making sound waves visible is called cymatics.
By draw I simply meant agree to disagree.
Sigh...and you complained about not understanding the article earlier when they used a colloquialism? Interesting.
I agree. But then, I don't speak in theological terms. I have nothing to do with theology. Yes, I know, you might want to call what I speak of theology... or "Korean"... but I ASSURE you... it's neither. It's "Chinese"... which is NOT the same thing, as I stated previously. Although there may be similar sounds, even written characters, they don't mean the same thing(s).
The problem comes in because you cannot consistently define what you yourself are saying, regardless of what language you are speaking or not. Korean, Chinese, English, French, Greek, Russian...all can be intertranslated as long as all parties agree on what things mean in their native language. You change often.
however, I did not dismiss the entire experience
You forgot to mention the part where you said he misunderstood his aunt (who are you to judge that?) and that he wasn't paying attention to the songs (again, who are you to judge?), so yeah, you kinda did.
My faith, belief and understanding never changes.
We can agree to disagree on that :)
Brave... no. I am TERRIFIED... virtually every time I have to share something here.
Brave doesn't mean "not afraid". It means doing what you have to do ESPECIALLY when you are afraid.
Oh, dear one, I was only trying to give you an out
I don't need an out. I do think we need to agree on what something means when one of us thinks the other isn't understanding.
I would be MORE than happy to continue this discussion with you... so long as we leave off the barbs and sarcasm.
Fair enough. Well, I might use a *little* sarcasm in jest every now and then, but I'll be sure to use winking smiley or something. I don't think I can ENTIRELY leave off. But it won't be mean :)
I would love to continue this. I REALLY do want to understand what you mean about christ and the photons.
