Posts by notverylikely

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Evidence! How did you come to know reality?

by zannahdoll in

is it possible that when we (as a people) make an advancement in science and learn new facts that they sometimes disprove what was once considered fact?

unless you test something for yourself you are taking the word of someone else.

or do you trust that things are certain?

notverylikely

You have not proved ONCE my assertion is untrue. We are going in circles.

*sigh*....it's been proven many time. Sun, Gravity, etc. How do those things NOT prove it?

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Evidence! How did you come to know reality?

by zannahdoll in

is it possible that when we (as a people) make an advancement in science and learn new facts that they sometimes disprove what was once considered fact?

unless you test something for yourself you are taking the word of someone else.

or do you trust that things are certain?

notverylikely

There is no ad-hominem. Asking who doesn't have a bias isn't an attack on you, it isn't accusing you of anything.

Correct. But you specifically said "You are tainted with an atheist bias." That is not a question. It's an attacking statement designed to undermine the credibility of my arguments. It's an ad hominem attack. Out of context quote and now ad hominem...tsk tsk zannahdoll. One might begin to wonder why you have to resort of such obvious fallacious debate tactics.

I can dig you up real people who didn't start off Catholic who believe in the Marian Apparitions.

Sure. Go for it. I can dig up Catholics that rape little boys. Imaginary friends that listen to silent invisble sky people come in all sorts.

The examples you gave are still based on "overwhemloing physical, repeatable evidence" but did not show that that evidence was regardless of faith.

Of course it was. The sun rises regardless of your faith or lack thereof. Jump off a building and gravity will still work regardles of faith . Done. Evidence provided. Next.

Just saying that it is regardless of faith doesn't make it so.

No shit. That's what the evidence is for. See above examples.

Here is a perfect example of taking what I said out of context instead of the whole concept:

Also, I proved that not all things that atheists "take" need "proveable, demomstrable testable and repeatable evidence" - an example you gave me of this is you wearing a pink shirt.

I never argued that personal experience = reality.

Except that you haven't shown how that's out of context quote mining. You just quoted yourself, not me. I am not sure how you quoting yourself somehow in your head proves I quoted you out of context in a blatant attempt to change the meaning of the original, as you so blatantly, dishonestly and obviously did with me.

What I am saying is that what an atheist, using your words "takes" to know reality isn't always on all this provable, demonstrable, testable, repeatable, etc... blah blah blah evidence

You can say whatever you like. That doesn't make it so, no matter how much you quote out of context or use personal attacks. Besides which, no one ever said it was "always" based on anything. What you were saying is that atheists based their ideas on just as much faith as jesusy people do on their invisible sky friend. That is not so at all no matter how much you want to be so.

The one point/concept I make is the same, has not changed once:

I agree. It hasn't changed. It is still wrong, however.

I also cut and paste from wiki that the problem with evidence is our limited knowledge.

Like when you try to argue about falsifiability without knowing what it means.

Okay, I'm getting off the merry-go-round because I can't imagine anything new you have to say except that you will continue to put me down saying "how cute" I am for putting you down or misquoting you - now that is an implied ad hominem because you are being sarcastic.

Oh, you don't know what an ad hominem attack is? It's when I try to make your argument seem weak by attacking you as a person or implication that calls your judgement into question. I never did that. I pointed out when you were ignorant of things like falsfiabilitly and the basic tenets of the scientific method, but pointing out where you are factually wrong is not an ad homimen. When you quote people out of context, argue about subjects you later admit complete ignorance ... why the heck would I need to call you as a person into question? You did that for me.

Oh, I never imply sarcasm. I am pretty direct about it most of the time.

If you met me in person you might think I am cute without the sarcasm.

Probably. I dig crazy chicks :)

Still friends? We can TOTALLY disagree on this thread but on another one I might be your staunchest advocate.

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I was baptized as a Jehovah's Witness in 1989

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

posting this by request.. randy.

date: sunday, september 5, 2010, 2:20 pm.

dear friend: these letters will soon be mailed to the media office of the watchtower, and to some jehovah's witnesses homes alike.

notverylikely

I got something she can eat ... a fucking salad.

What a whackjob.

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First time at the meeting after my DF

by notverylikely in

granted it's only been two weeks, but my oldest son had a talk tonight and i wanted to be there to support him.

couple of funny things.... - shunned as expected.

forgot to shave off my van dyke first though, and forgot to not dress in all black like johnny cash, black oxford, black pants, showes, socks, belt, blazer.

notverylikely

Your son will remember that you showed support for your family above all things. A good lesson for him, even more so because you are sincere. I think you're handling yourself great.

Thanks tec. They both know there are two things tied for the most important thing in my life. The two of them.

I. AM. SCARED. OF. YOU.

Ha! At least I didn't get up on stage and do this. It would have made then sure the Devil was in me:

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First time at the meeting after my DF

by notverylikely in

granted it's only been two weeks, but my oldest son had a talk tonight and i wanted to be there to support him.

couple of funny things.... - shunned as expected.

forgot to shave off my van dyke first though, and forgot to not dress in all black like johnny cash, black oxford, black pants, showes, socks, belt, blazer.

notverylikely

I have some job interviews coming up. I might get rid of the van dyke for those.

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First time at the meeting after my DF

by notverylikely in

granted it's only been two weeks, but my oldest son had a talk tonight and i wanted to be there to support him.

couple of funny things.... - shunned as expected.

forgot to shave off my van dyke first though, and forgot to not dress in all black like johnny cash, black oxford, black pants, showes, socks, belt, blazer.

notverylikely

Granted it's only been two weeks, but my oldest son had a talk tonight and I wanted to be there to support him. Couple of funny things...

- Shunned as expected. Forgot to shave off my van dyke first though, and forgot to not dress in all black like Johnny Cash, black Oxford, black pants, showes, socks, belt, blazer. I must have looked evil.

- I asked an attendant to let my son know I was there as I didn't go in until after the CBS was over. The elder that was the head my JC saw me and saw my son walking toward me and practically ran to get there first and shook my hand and asked if everything was OK. I said "I don't know, I just got here. Is everything OK?" Right then my son got to me and I said "Excuse me, I need to talk to my son" and I turned to my son with him standing there and said "Hey bud, just wanted to make sure you knew I was here like I said I would be. I know you're going to do a great job and I wanted you to know I was here to support you. I love you." Then I turned back to the elder and said "Sorry, I just needed to talk to my son for a minute. What's up, what can I do for you?" He just said "I wanted to say good to see you" and then left. I wonder what he thought I was there to do, kidnap my kids, take them from the hall....as Bug Bunny would say, "What a maroon"

- Based on this weeks bible reading, from 2 Kings 12:4 and 5, our retired CO special pioneer said "This shows that Jehovahs arrangement never changes, back in those days they had account servants and contribution boxes just like we have today." What a maroon.

- I was shunned. Shocking, I know.

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Mistresses??

by diana netherton in

what are your thoughts on them?

would i be a simply terrible person if i became one?.

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notverylikely

Better yet, bare your own ass for a few bucks. It's ok, there's vasoline for comfort.

Just be prepared to handle the awesomeness, baby.

And cash only. You can leave it on the nightstand right next to my Koran :)

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Need Help Forming a Cohesive Argument

by StAnn in

mr. st. ann and i were talking tonight about "theocratic warfare" and the concept that jws say that it's okay to lie to some people because not everybody is entitled to the truth.. mr. st. ann said two things, one of which was, "isn't lying against the ten commandments?

" then he said, "didn't jesus say that satan is the father of the lie?

so if jws are taught by their god that lying is okay for religious reasons, doesn't that make satan their god?

notverylikely

the 10 Commandments

Pfff....no one cares about that ghetto old testament shit. Unless they need it to DF someone, of course.

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Need Help Forming a Cohesive Argument

by StAnn in

mr. st. ann and i were talking tonight about "theocratic warfare" and the concept that jws say that it's okay to lie to some people because not everybody is entitled to the truth.. mr. st. ann said two things, one of which was, "isn't lying against the ten commandments?

" then he said, "didn't jesus say that satan is the father of the lie?

so if jws are taught by their god that lying is okay for religious reasons, doesn't that make satan their god?

notverylikely

Well, the 6/15/09 WT is the one with the article that really defined the whole "entitled" to the truth. It never says it's ok to lie, just not disclose detailas.

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Evidence! How did you come to know reality?

by zannahdoll in

is it possible that when we (as a people) make an advancement in science and learn new facts that they sometimes disprove what was once considered fact?

unless you test something for yourself you are taking the word of someone else.

or do you trust that things are certain?

notverylikely

I'll make you an offer. Pick a point, any point, and we can debate that point. It seems there are a lot of issues floating around, many of which you are learning about for the first time, so pick the one you are most comfortable with and I will be happy to debate you on it.