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  The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...

  by AGuest in

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  dear ones.

  rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.

  a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.

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  Which is why I can't put my faith "in the Bible", dear NVL

  This doesn't match...

  "This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he them. Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." Genesis 5:1, 2

  ... this.

  Pick one, Shelby. You quote scripture when it's convenient whenever it matches whatever dream/voice you had last night and reject it whenever it suits you.YOu put your faith it in often enough when it supports your POV.

  Tell me, has God/Jesus told you which parts of the bible are right and which aren't? Can you ask, I would really like to know.
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  Can Spanish people recite the alphabet???

  by asilentone in

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  i met a fairly intelligent spanish woman today at starbucks.

  she also looks good, i taught her to do abc's (fingerspelling-sign language) her first language is spanish, she knows some pretty good english, but needs some more improvement on her english skills.

  she does not know abc's that good.

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  notverylikely

  NVL:

  Thanks :)
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  The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...

  by AGuest in

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  dear ones.

  rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.

  a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.

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  notverylikely

  He knows before we are BORN... conceived but not having left the womb. Not the same thing... and since truth is imporant in these things, we should try to stick to accuracy, as well.

  Right on, Shelby. Perhaps you can re-parse what you wrote, then, I quoted it below...

  That a person has not been BORN yet, however, does NOT mean they don't exist. For some, the person comes into being at the moment of conception. For the Most Holy One of Israel, however, it starts even before that. HE knows the PERSON that a pairing of 2 individuals will produce.

  How does that not mean that he knows what we will do before conception? In what other sense would he know us? If I am confused, perhaps this clarifies that I am not trying to misrepresent you, but that that made me think that is what you meant. If not, please, could you clarify for me?
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  Evidence! How did you come to know reality?

  by zannahdoll in

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  is it possible that when we (as a people) make an advancement in science and learn new facts that they sometimes disprove what was once considered fact?

  unless you test something for yourself you are taking the word of someone else.

  or do you trust that things are certain?

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  notverylikely, you provide incomplete quotes again, from my first post:

  Oh, and yes, I did. Incomplete does not equal "out of context". I beleive that the whole senteces I chose to quote adequately represented your assertions and questions. If not, please feel free to re-state them.
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  Evidence! How did you come to know reality?

  by zannahdoll in

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  is it possible that when we (as a people) make an advancement in science and learn new facts that they sometimes disprove what was once considered fact?

  unless you test something for yourself you are taking the word of someone else.

  or do you trust that things are certain?

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  notverylikely

  If someone is guilty of strawman then it is you.

  Please demonstrate where I have setup a strawman. I did not quote you out of context or alter your arguments in any way.

  You are also guilty of ad hominem, you are the first to say "witness bias" and "tainted" I was mirroring what you were saying to you.

  Witness bias is a well known phenomenon. In any event, to be executing an ad hominem attack in our debate I would need to be attacking you, which I did not do in that cases.

  So: we have, in your arguments: begging the question, strawman, ad hominem - and yet you point out these things on me. Wow.

  Nope, sorry, I didn't do any of those. Just like when you thought you had me when I used the word "falsifiability", you might want to actually know what those things are before you accuse me of them.

  Begging the question is stating a premise that requires the conclusion to be true to reach the premise, such as "You can't imagine things that don't exists. Therefore we know god exists because you can imagine him."

  A strawman is when you restate an argument (like you did mine) into a similiar sounding but easily defeated manner and then proceed to defeat the restated but not actual argument (like you did earlier tonight with your "bunch of adjectives" strawman).
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  Evidence! How did you come to know reality?

  by zannahdoll in

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  is it possible that when we (as a people) make an advancement in science and learn new facts that they sometimes disprove what was once considered fact?

  unless you test something for yourself you are taking the word of someone else.

  or do you trust that things are certain?

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  Oh, come on. Its only been a few months since you debated with me.

  *disclaimer - the above was said purely in jest. tec did not lose the subject up for debate, she just learned something about how to debate.

  Awww....you're such a sweetheart!
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  The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...

  by AGuest in

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  dear ones.

  rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.

  a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.

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  notverylikely

  I don't think that's what she said. Since I took the pup out before I submitted, she might have answered your already though :)

  She said he knows before we are conceived what we will do. Logically he would have known the same about Adam and Eve and let all this shit happen anyway. That's kind of a dick move.
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  Who chose your flavor of God?

  by cyberjesus in

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  most of us in this board at some point believed in the same god, jehovah!

  but since there are many religions in the world and throughout ages there has been many other religions who also believed in their god, the question is,.

  who chose your god?.

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  For me it's all about the golden rule.

  Ah, so you follow ancient Babylonian gods? I only ask because that's where the earliest recorded instance of the Golden Rule comes from.
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  Evidence! How did you come to know reality?

  by zannahdoll in

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  is it possible that when we (as a people) make an advancement in science and learn new facts that they sometimes disprove what was once considered fact?

  unless you test something for yourself you are taking the word of someone else.

  or do you trust that things are certain?

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  notverylikely

  I ask:

  Evidence, how do you come to know reality? How do you come to know evidence?

  You answer:

  With evidence. (yes, you put a bunch of adjectives in front: repeatable, testable, etc... however you still answer my question of knowing evidence with the answer of evidence.)

  Aw, look at that, you just created a strawman! You created something that has an element of my answer and propped that up so you can knock it down, even though it's not my actual answers at all! Let's see what happens next!

  You're argument is begging the question and therefore does not prove anything I say wrong. You use circular logic...

  Alright! You followed the script of a strawman! Defeat the strawman you are propping up at my argument that isn't actually my argument! Hey, at least you didn't quote me out of context again! You're improving in your debate fallacies. Good job!

  Confirming that you still have not proven my assertions wrong once: which are that you know evidence based on your senses and what other people tell you.

  Actually, that wasn't your assertion at all. You said "In my experience: Evidence is the favorite buzz word of atheists/anti-theists/agnostics. Unless you test something for yourself you are taking the word of someone else." You were dismissive of anything EXCEPT personally tested evidence. That was a lead up to this: "Atheists/Agnostics/Anti-Theists take a leap of faith every day! Interesting to me that some of you consider taking a leap of faith a fault in theists, claiming that they do not think, when we all do the same and take a leap of faith no matter what you believe or lack belief in. "

  You dismissed evidence unless personally tested and verified to lead up to trying to your assertion to equating faith in god with faith that a tree hasn't fallen across the road since the last time you drove on it. I basically proved that was not in the least bit true, yet you keep trying to suggest I am arguing something different. Like ....

  You know evidence based on your perceptions. You have not proved that you know evidence based on anything other then the 5 senses or trusting what people say to you.

  Sweet! Another strawman! Since I never argued that point, you are just spitting into the wind on that one. No point awarded.

  It's been a long time since anyone took me on a Merry-Go-Round.

  It's been a long time since I had to teach someone so much to show them how little they knew.
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  Can Spanish people recite the alphabet???

  by asilentone in

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  i met a fairly intelligent spanish woman today at starbucks.

  she also looks good, i taught her to do abc's (fingerspelling-sign language) her first language is spanish, she knows some pretty good english, but needs some more improvement on her english skills.

  she does not know abc's that good.

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  notverylikely

  NVL, asilentone is deaf.

  Yeah, I know. Deaf is not a free pass to be a jackass, though.

  And you are a dickhead.

  You're an ignorant, moronic, xenophobic uneducated, useless piece of dogshit. We all got our problems, I guess.