Could it be that God does not want to further the work of the Watchtower Society for the myriad of reasons discussed on this website?
Apparently what he wants is complete randomness.
notverylikely
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What prayers does God answer?
by jwfacts ini have always struggled to understand what prayers god answers and which ones he avoids.
most religions teach that god answers prayers, so people must feel that their prayers are being answered, yet the type of prayers seem to be very selective.. .
if god answered broad based prayers, then children in third world countries would not be starving, so he does not seem to interfere in global issues.
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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(Soooo.... how was your golf game, NVL? ... and yes, I know its not my responsibility to tell you what she meant, but people do it on the board all the time, often to try and keep the peace)
It was good. I shot a 90, two stroke above my all time best and tied for my second best. I was pleased. Still working my my drive, but alas, I am left handed and play right handed (I am honestly mixed handed so that's not too surprising) so I have to figure out some thing on my own where traditional lessons don't work because I often have trouble figuring out whether I am left or right hand dominant and have to mentally reverse instructions. I write left handed, eat left handed, but throw, play golf, etc., right handed. When I am doing things, I often take a while to figure out which hand I do it best with. I still use a hammer in both hands.
So, the game was good. Sorry I was gone so long. It's Sunday in America (and most of the world), so football, the American kind, is on. I spent the day at a bar with an old friend watching football and drinking beer.
And Shelby and I can vehemtly disagree and still be friends. She is a total sweetheart. I will admit the whole thing with calling me deceitful has my back up a bit, but all she has to do is prove it or apologize and it's all good. :)
If it turns out I made a mistake, I will apologize with no problem :)
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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NVL thinks Shelby's a sweetheart.
She totally is and I DO think that. I will not, however, let ANYONE get away with calling me a liar. And my golf game went well. It got up to 89F here.
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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Fortunately, I've been blessed with a "gift" inherent in most women and that is we can virtually recall a discussion between us and a man almost verbatim.
It's just something that we can "do."
Now, you can deny that... and "science" might refute it, but I BET you if you were to take a poll of the men and women on this site, heck, in the world, this "gift" is one of the reason BOTH will say to you, "Never argue with a woman."
I know, I know... it just isn't IN you to concede to a woman - it's just not... well, manly.
Because I am, after all, a woman, and like most of us, I can "worry a bone to death," too, when I put my mind to it.
Awwww.....look who's using gender to try and back out of calling me a liar and to try to assert ovarian superiority.
If you are an example of woman, it's no wonder you lord had no female apostles. Fortunately there are way better people, women AND men, out there, that do not suffer from ovarian delusions like you do.
BTW, don't forget, you have called me a liar many times and have yet prove it. Put up or shut up.
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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NVL: the evident demonstration of reality THOUGH NOT YET BEHELD. Look who stopped short this time...
[Obviously, it was NVL, again, as shown by]:
Nice try, but I already admitted I did not read completely. I am sure Jesus would want you to forgive and forget since I admitted my error. So, fail.
[Here, dear NVL literally asks one thing, then turns around and says, "No, I asked "X". SA, unfortunately, is a bit pendantic and so quoted what NVL actually asked, literally.]
Sorry, kid. You don't get to just use brackets to say what you want it say I did, you actually have demonstrate it. So....fail.
Dear NVL (peace to you!), again, you're good... but not THAT good because, like many a man you can't remember conversations, let alone what you said in them. Fortunately, I've been blessed with a "gift" inherent in most women and that is we can virtually recall a discussion between us and a man almost verbatim.
Sure. In that case, you should absolutely be able to show, verbatim, where I was deceitful, quote the conversations. You don't have to remember. It's on the forum. I mean, this is basic stuff. Surely you can go ahead and show that. I have only asked at least three times and ou have yet to show it. I am not sure what your "gift" has anything to do with this conversation since it it visible for all to see. Since you have yet to show a single quote, you again....fail. Apparently your only gift is a 100% failure rate.
So, look, let's move on, shall we? I mean, the discussion has become so muddled (because you don't remember half of what YOU say and practically NONE of what I've said), that there really no benefit any longer... to anyone.
Oh, fuck no. You accuse me of being a deceitful liar and you want to back out now? Oh fuck hell no. This conversation is not in any way muddled. You keep trying to change the conversation, and it might be muddled in your head, but when YOU accuse me of being a liar, you better damn well prove it or apologize.
So prove it. Nut up or shut up.
And peace.
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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This is what you heard her say. This is not what she said. She said her Lord directed her to show you that this particular scripture is good. Not that its the ONLY scripture that's good.
Fair enough. Since no other scripture has been identified as good, we should not use it then.
Same as when she said she wasn't going to use scripture - she meant WITH YOU.
First, it's not your place to tell me what she meant. Second, the conversation was in the context of everyone, not just me, my dear.
But I would ask you to consider, that whenever someone accuses you of twisting their words, that it isn't because they're backed into a corner (maybe sometimes, but certainly not everytime), that it is because what you summed up is not what they meant.
Sure. If I didn't get the meaning they have every opportunity to clear it up and show where I missed it. Accusing me of quoting out of context and being deceitful without being able to actually show a single example certainly is bullshit, however.
But as shown in the examples above, you are often misunderstanding.
I've been accused, but it has yet to be shown :)
I'm only posting to show what I've observed, my friend. I'm not attacking or accusing.
Of course, I never thought you were.
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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That's how you come across NVL, you have kept battering away in the hope that Shelby will say just what you WANT to hear.
Or like it sounds like someone that says "God is telling me you sad, questioning him, are a liar, blah blah blah." Oh wait, THAT's Shelby, not me. No one is forcing her into these threads. I don't WANT her to say anything. As I have said before, when people take up undefendable positions and claim it is truth and they have it, it often seems like battering and caustic when they get questions they can't answer and the people asking are just as persistent as the person hearing voices in their head.
Does this come under Guideline 1. Threatening language.
Basically you're saying you are going to stalk her. Just asking, just interested.
God, I LOVE it when people say "So what you are saying is....". It show the absolute condition of "I just heard what I wanted to hear. Kudos to you!
So, a quick tutorial on the forum....I am on a lot of threads. So is Shelby. She said she would restrict her use of scripture to a very small part. I think it's bull shit to deny others scripture to use when debating her. If I come across her doing that in a thread, I will call her out on it. If you don't want someone to call out self righteous bullshit, don't post it.
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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notverylikely
May I refer you to the 15 th post on Page 8 of this thread, which reads:
Shelby: Which is another reason why we shouldn't put our faith in the Bible... because we don't always see what even IT states.
Yes, and then you used the bible in another thread. And on this very thread on page 10 said the ball was thrown at Israel via the Law Coenenant. Tsk tsk.
May I refer you to practically every comment I made on Page 8.
You may. Quotes like "You do NOT have to take my word for it, though, as the Bible also sets forth what in it IS scripture (though, I must admit that I often ponder why folks like you continually point to the Bible en totale as being inspired and entirely truthful, yet you won't even take into account what IT says on this particular matter"
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But since you may not grasp that, he has directed me to ask you: IF the letter to the Romans was "scripture," why was it not written to ALL of the Body, and NOT just those "in Rome"? And IF the FIRST letter to the Corinthan congregation was "scripture," why is it NOT contained in the Bible canon, so that it is the SECOND letter that is called the "First"?
There you go, someone used scripture and you said it wasn't valid. Or is there some other comment you had in mind where you don't use versions, but rather attempt to wholesale deny the right of a fellow believer in Christ the right to use books of the Bible, during which you claim to be pretty much the same as Paul, so so humble yet telling others what they can and cannot do?
Kinda like that old WTBTS method of putting "answers" in the WT paragraphs to "help" people believe what THEY want them to believe.
Perhaps, but since you have yet to show a single example, I would say it more like saying YOU have the truth and telling other people what parts of the Bible really mean and denying the parts of it you don't like. Kinda like when GB members give talks and say something that's nowhere in the bible and saying "This isn't men talking, this is Jehovah and Jesus talking to you."
My goodness, dear NVL, do you ever stop with the deceit?
Since you have yet to point to a single example of me being decietful, I would have to say the question is invalid on it's face. See my quotes from you above. You used Scripture to prove which scripture wasn't scripture that she had quoted. That's using it. Just because you don't qote specific veses doesn't mean you didn't use it.
I know that you have painted yourself into a corner, but no matter how much you try, attacking ME and calling me a liar, unfortunately, doesn't work when I can quote your own words.
If you are saying I am a liar, please show it. I readily admit there have been times when I misquoted or misunderstood and I have apologized and gotten clarification on all of those. However, disparaging my character for pointing out what you are saying...poor form, Shelby, poor form.
I should have been able to show there was no God without using deceit as I did. Why couldn't I do that?" And then you'll knock back another drink... and shiver. Because, it won't bring you much warmth. No more than your deceit will.
Wow. Have you considered creative writing as a career? You can make up the craziest shit! Oh, and BTW, as per the norm, the onus is not on me to prove god doesn't exists, it's on you since you claim he does.
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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notverylikely
You think me someone who hates being told what it right, dear NVL (peace to you!)? What in the world gives you that idea, please tell?
The fact that whenever something doesn't agree with your ideas you fall back on "That's not what Jesus told me". You insist I am afraid, you read me wrong about what I think (even though Jesus told you to say it) and turn out to be wrong so, the easy answer....call the person you were talking shit about a decietful liar.
My response was going to be that I thought you and I had agreed no more scriptures.
Actually WE didn't agree. I proposed it, then you said "others get their versions, why not me?" and then I pointed out that it was a question of versions, but you unitlaterally attempting to control which scriputres people could use while you used any scripture you wanted. Then the subject kind of went away until you decided to use scripture with Elaine.
as my Lord has directed me to direct you to a specific set of scripture and to say that they are accurate and truth... and that in your hard-heartedness, hard-headedness, and stiff-neckedness, you will ignore and dismiss what it is saying to you, Israel, and so rebel even further
that Jeremiah 3:11-22 is acceptable for use.
I will expect to see you only use those from now on. If I see others, your expectation should be for me to refer you this thread and call bullshit on you.
As to your extra-penultimate response, I must admit you're good. Deceitful as all get out, but good at being so (but, then, you know that, don't you?).
You have yet to show deceit on my part, dear Shelby.
But let's be clear - you do lack faith and you are afraid to try what I shared with you. Because if you weren't you would have... regardless of everything else. Because you believe there IS no God and so you have nothing to lose, anyway. Right? Right.
Let me be equally clear. You are wrong. I don't LACK faith, I don't HAVE faith. You might as well suggest that airplanes LACK fangs. You have given me nothing to try. On this very thread Elaine, who beleives in Jesus and god just as much as you, called you out. You with faith can't even agree amongst yourselves. How can you give me something to try? I don't beleive there is no god, I simply see no evidence of one.
Peace and love, Shelby. Be careful on those scriptures. I'll be watching.
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The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...
by AGuest indear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
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notverylikely
Turns out I don't have to quit! Shelby does when her only fallback is "Jebus told me".