Posts by mentallyfree31

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Are they deliberately trying to get rid of the "Old TImers"? (re "generation")

by hamsterbait in

the vast majority have been sucked into the witchtower babble and trash cult over the last 25 years.. this constant rehashing and contradicting of the "generation " teaching is bound to drive significant numbers of the pre 1985 -"ish" witlesses away from the kingdumb hells, much as "1925" drove away vast numbers who might yet undermine "jug" rutherfords efforts to secure his power.. they will then be able to make major revisions of what to us older ones seem like core doctrines, which will be lapped up like iced cream by those who only have the perspective of the 21 century litterature.. this is too obviously deliberate.

its not like some tiny side comment:.

when the gibbering buddy wants some embarrassing thing to go away, blondie has pointed out many examples, they stop talking about it.. with this change they are rubbing peoples noses in it, slapping them round the head so they dont miss it.. and who are "gasping" at the co talks?

mentallyfree31

Blondie - what was the name of this CO? It sounds like one we had years ago. He deleted dozens of elders around the circuit.

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Info For Newbies and Current Jehovah's Witnesses! Please Read!

by mentallyfree31 in

example: gravity is real.

because if 607 bce is wrong, then so is 1914 and 1918 and 1919. very simple.

so if we cannot trust secular research, then we can definitely discard the date of 607 bce.

mentallyfree31

LongHairGal - those two points actually came from my brother. They really made me think too.

It's great to be able to think outside the box and use logical reasoning.

Thanks to everybody for your comments. Glad you enjoyed it.

-mentallyfree31-

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Info For Newbies and Current Jehovah's Witnesses! Please Read!

by mentallyfree31 in

example: gravity is real.

because if 607 bce is wrong, then so is 1914 and 1918 and 1919. very simple.

so if we cannot trust secular research, then we can definitely discard the date of 607 bce.

mentallyfree31

(Last week, this was a post I made on another person's thread. I tweaked it a bit, and am giving it it's own thread. Hope you enjoy!)

Are you a newbie to the forum? Perhaps you have been reading, but haven't jumped in yet and started posting. Are you convinced that your beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness are right and the rest of the world is wrong? I invite you to consider the following:

Realize that you will not be destroyed at Armageddon for researching your religion. Move past the fear. Things are either true or false. If something is true, you can lay all the evidence on the table and consider all of it. It will still be true. If, upon closer observation, the evidence does not support the fact that something is true, then it can't be true. It's just that simple. Examinations are not to be feared when something is true. Example: Gravity is real. We can do all the research that we like on the subject of gravity. We could even read books that attempt to disprove gravity or that ridiculously claim that gravity is not real. When we finish the research - gravity is still real. Hold your mobile phone up and let go of it - it WILL fall to the floor.

(1) When was Jerusalem destroyed? Either Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE or 587 BCE. It has to be one or the other. It cannot be both. You need to know the truth. Because if 607 BCE is wrong, then so is 1914 and 1918 and 1919. Very simple.

Some have claimed that we cannot trust secular dates and research because they are not inspired by God. Let me point out this fact: WITHOUT secular reserach, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that we can determine the date of the destruction of Jerusalem, because the Bible does not give a date. So if we cannot trust secular research, then we can DEFINITELY discard the date of 607 BCE. And without secular research, we also cannot determine when the United States established independence, because it happened in the 1700's and none of us were alive then.

If you have the one and only true religion, looking at hard facts will not change the one and only true religion. Let me remind you that if Jehovah's Witnesses have the only true religion, honest research will only convince more fully that you are right. If you are right, research will only reveal MORE things that will prove that you are right. Go to the library and look up these terms: Jerusalem, Israel, Jews, Zedekiah & Nebechadnezzar. Scan the articles until you see the section talking about the destruction of Jerusalem. What does it say? When did it happen? Look through every encyclopedia they have if you have time. If you can, go to a large library in a larger city. Check it out for youself. Check EVERY encyclopedia they have. Facts are facts. The destruction of Jerusalem was a pretty big deal in history. It is WELL DOCUMENTED. I know when the Civil War happened in my country. Similarly, the Jews know when their city of Jerusalem was destroyed. Case closed.

(2) Either Jesus chose this organization in 1919 or he didn't. Why would Jesus have chosen this organization? If Jesus chose an organization, would its members have to be following the scriptures, and spreading the truth with others? Or could they be believing things that weren't true, and preaching false prophecies and beliefs to others? If christams and birthdays are so wrong, how could Jesus approve of them in 1919 and consider these people so righteous that he would appoint them over all his affairs on earth? With Jehovah, there is not the variation of a turning of a shadow - so how could something be okay in 1919 but a disfellowshipping offense in 2010? Why would Jehovah approve of it then, but destroy a person at Armageddon for doing it now?

(3) Next - what was this organization teaching in 1919? Do you know? Can you make a list of the 40 or so common teachings that they were preaching to others? Are you aware that if people believed today what those brothers believed in 1919, they would be disfellowshipped and destroyed at Armageddon? How did Charles Taze Russel rise to heaven in 1918 if most of the things he believed were false? Very simple. Think about it.

(4) 7 million Witnesses, wow that's a lot. That's impressive. But there are 12 million mormons, who are ready to die for their belief just like you are because they are convinced they have the only truth. There are over 1 billion muslims, some estimate as many as 1.5 billion. To them Allah is REAL. They are ready to die for him. Does this mean he is real? Of course not.

(5) If you think that you are "in the truth" presently, then what was Charles Taze Russell in? What was Rutherford in? They certainly didn't believe the same things that you believe. If what you have is the truth, then Russell and Rutherford died and never knew the truth. Did you know that Russell never knew anything about Jesus becoming king in 1914. Even though he died in 1916. Russell wrote many things about people of the world "being in darkness". He also said that one would be a fool not to accept his "so called truths". But his "truths" were merely the imaginations of somebody's mind. They all failed and every prediction he made never came true. After spending much time reading Russell's writings - I can assure you that the person who was in darkness was Charles Taze Russell himself.

(6) Is God really going to destroy millions of Chinese children any day now at this "Armageddon"? What did these children do? All they did was being born on the other side of the world, a long way from Brooklyn. They have never heard of a Watchtower organization. They have never heard of Jehovah. Is God really going to slaughter them and leave thier bodies in the streets for the birds to eat? Some suggest that God will not destroy all of these chinese children, because he will read people's hearts. If this is true, then we arrive at a new fact: It is NOT necessary to be a Jehovah's Witness to survive Armageddon. Now there is a dilema: Either a person has to be a Jehovah's Witness to survive Armageddon, or they don't. Which is it? It can only be one way or the other! If Jehovah is gonna read hearts, then we can throw out the "have to be a witness" teaching. Think about it.

(7) How many people in the bible had to commit to a 6 to 12 month bible study of some book before they could get baptized and accept Jesus? How many of those in the first century in the book of Acts had to join an organization in order to have Jesus' approval? How many in the first century had to shave their beard in order to get baptized? How many in the book of Acts turned in a field service report every month?

Here's a little humor to ponder: Why did we as JW's shake our heads in wonder when Pentacostals in the south could not wear jeans - but only skirts and dresses. Why did we think that was crazy, but yet at the same time we as JW's were running around clean shaven and couldn't have a beard, even though Jesus had a beard and there is NOTHING in the bible about a christian not being able to have a bible? Does that make sense to you?

(8) At what point did this organization become the true religion? When did the switch flip so to speak, so that people now needed to leave their church and come join the Watchtower Organization? Was it during Charles Russell's time? This would have been the time when the Bible Students were smoking, celebrating christamas and birthdays, believing and preaching that Jesus returned in 1874, believing and preaching that the anointed were sealed in the late 1800's, teaching that the last days started in 1799, teaching that the battle of armageddon would end in 1914, etc.. Was this when it became the true religion? Or was it later when we discovered that organ transplants were actually cannibalism, and that women should be disfellowshipped if they were raped and didn't scream, and when the organization joined up and became a NGO member of the United Nations? When did it become the truth?

(9) After considering the above things, it really comes down to this one question: If you were wrong, would you change? Or would you prefer to believe things that are not true?

People live in fantasy worlds every day. I lived in a fantasy world for many years. I was knocking on people's doors and telling them that Armageddon would be here any day now, because "this generation" that Jesus mentioned was almost up. Then the Society threw out that teaching and completely changed the meaning of that term. So, I was clearly living in a fantasy world, along with everybody that was a Jehovah's Witness from 1951 to 1995. That teaching was never correct. Sure, millions of people taught it all over the world for decades - but it was NEVER true. People at the doors were very smart not to respond and fall for that, because it was a hoax. The joke was truly on us as JWs.

The subsequent teaching about "this generation" that replaced this one in 1995 was that Jesus meant the "wicked and twisted generation". This was presented as truth, and we had to accept it. But it was false too, because in 2008 this teaching was thrown out as well. What about the new generation teaching in 2008? It too was wrong, because it changed in April 2010. ALL these understandings were actually misunderstandings. They were NEVER true, and God did not reveal these things to anybody. The Holy Spirit did not reveals these wrong teachings to anybody. Some man at a desk in Brooklyn picked up a pen and put this in writing. It had nothing to do with God. That's why the meaning of "this generation" has already changed completely 6 different times. Yes, six times. So that means we were beating on people's doors at 10 AM on Saturday mornings and waking them up sometimes, to tell them that the generation of 1914 is almost up and that they need to come to the kingdom hall so they can get saved..and that they have to believe this because this because this is God's only organization on earth and he reveals the truth to mankind only through this organization. Correct? Go ahead and laugh. It's okay. Honestly, I'm laughing as I write this. :-) But it happened, because I remember doing it..and I did it for many years.

I love the expression Judge Judy uses here on American TV: If something doesn't make sense, it's probably not true.

It can be very difficult to admit that one is wrong. I decided that whatever the cost, I want to know THE TRUTH. I decided that even if I didn't like what I discovered, I would rather know the truth than go on believing things that are false. Life is short, and I don't want to spend one more day chasing fairy tales.

Let go of your fear, if you are lurking out there. If something is true, it will never fear an examination.

Best of luck to you. And if you are new, welcome to the forum.

-mentallyfree31-

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As a JW, Did You Pray & Study With Your Spouse?

by mentallyfree31 in

when you were a jw, did you pray regularly with your spouse?

what about a "family study"?.

i was a pioneer and ministerial servant, but praying with somebody was always the most awkward, uncomfortable thing ever.

mentallyfree31

Thanks for the comments everybody. Some of these are quite funny. Evidently, it wasn't just me that had a problem with this.

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Did you swear when you were a JW?

by St George of England in

i have noticed that quite a few people here swear and use profanity.

an elder once told me this is quite common in the congregations he has been in.

i was raised in so never allowed to swear and never got into the habit.

mentallyfree31

I swore. I carefully picked out close JW friends that cursed as well, so then it was a party when we got together. No words were off limits. This was only a handful of people however.

-mentallyfree31-

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Hello to Everyone

by JediMaster in

jw
friends

been lurking for a few months now and i thought it was time to finally introduce myself and start having some fun with the lot of ya.

i've really enjoyed reading the threads and getting familiar with some of you.

a little bit about myself, born and raised in the truth.

mentallyfree31

Welcome JediMaster. When you say you believe it is the truth, all of us can definitely relate to that feeling.

I hope you make lots of friends here. Welcome to the board.

-mentallyfree31-

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How many have left your congregation ?

by leo999 in

hi everyone ,.

there are many new folk joining here everyday , and i thought it may be interesting and fun to just see how many people have left the congregation that you have attended in the past 5 years .

i dont mean of course people who are active jw's moving to another cong , but people that have left the wt religion , faded , da'd or df'd .. so , i will start off with my own cong .there have been 9 leave , 8 completely gone , myself hardly ever there and ' inactive ' .. leo999.

mentallyfree31

I don't have 5 year figures as you asked for. But here's what I do have.

In 1990 my former congregation had 100 publishers. Since then they have gained tons of new people. They still have about 100 new publishers. I got out a pen and paper and made a list, and in ten minutes I came up with over 60 people that have left. This includes DA, DF and inactive.

So for my former congregation, the turnover rate has been over 60 percent. And I'm sure there are a handful that I have forgotten about that left, so that number would probably be closer to 65%.

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As a JW, Did You Pray & Study With Your Spouse?

by mentallyfree31 in

when you were a jw, did you pray regularly with your spouse?

what about a "family study"?.

i was a pioneer and ministerial servant, but praying with somebody was always the most awkward, uncomfortable thing ever.

mentallyfree31

When you were a JW, did you pray regularly with your spouse? What about a "family study"?

I was a pioneer and ministerial servant, but praying with somebody was always the most awkward, uncomfortable thing ever. We did it a handful of times over ten years, mostly towards the beginning of our marriage. When the family worship night arrangement evolved, we never did it. I just kept thinking it sounded awful to now have a free night but have to replace it with a family study.

How did you feel about praying and studying with your spouse? Did you do it? Did you do it regularly? And did you hate it?

-mentallyfree31-

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birthdays....

by lesabre in

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friends

tomorrow is my birthday!

:) i've "been out" for 5 years, and my inlaws have thrown me b-day parties for all 5 of those years.

when i was a kid, my mom always said she didn't really think anything wrong with making your birthday a special day.

mentallyfree31

My family got baptized when I was six. From that point forward birthdays were non-existent. Nothing.

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Greetings...its been 5 years since my last post...

by Spitfire in

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friends

i have been "out", for 7 years now.

i spent two years on this site, reading, posting, sometimes debating.

this site (all the contributors) played a role in helping me deprogram some very deeply held beliefs.

mentallyfree31

Spitfire - Yes, attended my last meeting earlier this year. Got out mentally back in december.