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  Anyone from New Hampshire? Do JWs object to the license plate??

  by Chaserious in

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  i happened to come across this case today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wooley_v._maynard.

  "george maynard and his wife, followers of the jehovah's witnesses faith, viewed the motto as repugnant to their moral, religious, and political beliefs, and for this reason they covered up the motto [live free or die] on the license plates of their jointly owned family automobiles.".

  it appears this guy kept getting fined by the local cops for covering up the license plate motto!

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  Jgnat: I just hope Candace Conti's verdict is upheld! I don't think it could go to the U.S. Supreme Court on the issue because fiduciary duty is a state law doctrine, and the U.S. Supreme Court can only review issues involving the U.S. Constitution or federal law. For some cases, the state supreme court is the highest it can go. There is one constitutional issue in the case, which is the WTS's claim that punitive damages as applied here are unconstitutional, but it's really just an issue of whether the law was applied correctly here, not a novel issue that SCOTUS would want. There is also some WTS allegation about free exercise, which is a constitutional issue, but I think it's pretty baseless and just an add-on to see if it sticks.
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  Fudementalist Genesis Beliefs

  by BU2B in

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  i have always, even when mentally in been so amazed at some of the claims of witnesses and others regarding genesis.

  one of these is the thought that before the flood, animals and humans were all vegetarians.

  i remember asking my dad when i was little about why tyranasaurous rex teeth looked so fearsome and sharp if they were vegetarians.

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  designs: That's a great point, although I think that some of these politicians are just preening for their constituents. Like when Marco Rubio said in an interview:

  " Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries."

  He was trying to be non-committal without antagonizing his base or appearing anti-science. The firestorm he got for it afterward showed that you really can't have it both ways. I serious doubted he is actually a young-earth creationist, which he clarified with a subsequent statement basically saying he believes the earth is 4 billion years old but that doesn't contradict creation.
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  Watchtower Sells Yet Another Heights Property

  by iamwhoiam in

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  2. scandals

  http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/11/the-watchtower-sells-yet-another-heights-property/.

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  rix - they probably ended up purchasing the travelers bond, which was the alternative to a freeze on their assets or as they wanted to, putting up patterson as collateral.
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  Anyone from New Hampshire? Do JWs object to the license plate??

  by Chaserious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i happened to come across this case today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wooley_v._maynard.

  "george maynard and his wife, followers of the jehovah's witnesses faith, viewed the motto as repugnant to their moral, religious, and political beliefs, and for this reason they covered up the motto [live free or die] on the license plates of their jointly owned family automobiles.".

  it appears this guy kept getting fined by the local cops for covering up the license plate motto!

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  Thanks Neon, interesting to hear. I suspected it wasn't an official rule. As if they need all JWs covering up part of their license plates in case they didn't look like enough of a cult already.

  Ding: I am guessing that his objection was that the motto implies that rather than give up your liberty, we are willing to fight in the military and die for our freedom, which he wouldn't be willing to do (ironic, since that freedom gave him the right to act like a weirdo and get the Supreme Court to approve it). Although I did a search on him after I posted and found a follow up story on the plaintiff by some newspaper, and when he moved to Connecticut, he also covered up the part that says "The Constitution State." So maybe he was just a nut.
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  Anyone from New Hampshire? Do JWs object to the license plate??

  by Chaserious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i happened to come across this case today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wooley_v._maynard.

  "george maynard and his wife, followers of the jehovah's witnesses faith, viewed the motto as repugnant to their moral, religious, and political beliefs, and for this reason they covered up the motto [live free or die] on the license plates of their jointly owned family automobiles.".

  it appears this guy kept getting fined by the local cops for covering up the license plate motto!

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  I happened to come across this case today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooley_v._Maynard

  " George Maynard and his wife, followers of the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, viewed the motto as repugnant to their moral, religious, and political beliefs, and for this reason they covered up the motto [Live Free or Die] on the license plates of their jointly owned family automobiles."

  It appears this guy kept getting fined by the local cops for covering up the license plate motto! I'm not from anywhere near NH, and also this happened back in the 1970's, but I never heard of anything like this. Was this an official witness rule? Or was this guy just one of those whack-a-doodles that every congregation has a couple of who make up their own rules that are even more restrictive than the WTS rules, and say it's because they are witnesses? Seems pretty bizarre. Are there other state mottos that are "worldly"? Turns out the Supreme Court said he could cover it up if he wanted without getting fined
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  List Of Names Of Legal Dept at Bethel?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  2. beliefs

  it would be nice to know any info would be helpful..

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  I noticed that, 144,001, as well as the fact that the lawyer from Jackson Lewis has represented them in a number of other cases. It appears he might be one of their "go-to" outside attorneys. Jackson Lewis specializes in employment law, which often involves argument to the effect of "what that guy did might have been bad, but he wasn't representing us when he did it," which I suppose is an argument they need to make frequently when people want to hold them liable for the acts of various individual members, including the Conti case.
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  List Of Names Of Legal Dept at Bethel?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  2. beliefs

  it would be nice to know any info would be helpful..

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  Also: It looks like a few of the guys from 2003 have moved on to private practice:

  http://www.mandellawfirm.com/Attorney-Profiles/Donald-T-Ridley.shtml

  A fine example of humility on Brother Ridley's part in writing his bio, BTW. " When the chips are down and the wolves are closing in, there's no one better to have in your corner than Don Ridley." I guess after years of having wolves for clients, he knows all the tricks on warding them off!

  http://www.aglinett.com/attorneys/index.php

  http://custerlaw.net/bio.html

  I imagine if you leave Bethel and join a local congregation somewhere you could have a fairly lucrative general private practice as an attorney. Between the lack of witness lawyers and the prestige of having been a "Bethel lawyer, these guys can probably snag every JW car wreck, worker's comp case, will, real estate closing, custody case, SSA dispute, and small business incorporation for every witness within 50 miles.
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  Watch Tower Publishing Literature To Incite Hatred Towards All Religions, All Earthly Government, And People Not Jehovah Witnesses

  by frankiespeakin in

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  2. beliefs

  now i know that there are some here that can supply plenty of documented proof as to the hatred inciting teachings of the past presidents and the now rulling governing body in the literature they export world wide.. any former member who has changed his mind and no longer excepts these hate inspireing teachings of the governing body is labeled "mentally diseased" meaning these people are to be avoided because they have a catchy mental malfunction that is deadly.. all governments are controlled by an invisible master mind who has only evil intentions and is leading the vast majority of the human race to thier destruction.

  and thier followers are encouraged to hate what jehovah hates and jehovah hates all the governments of the earth includeing isreal and even the united nations of which they are members as an ngo.. in russia thier literature is rightly ban because it is reccognized as hatred inspireing.

  (no shit sherlock!).

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  Fair enough, Frankie. My misunderstanding. I did think the scientology case was interesting. I hadn't read that one before.
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  Watch Tower Publishing Literature To Incite Hatred Towards All Religions, All Earthly Government, And People Not Jehovah Witnesses

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  now i know that there are some here that can supply plenty of documented proof as to the hatred inciting teachings of the past presidents and the now rulling governing body in the literature they export world wide.. any former member who has changed his mind and no longer excepts these hate inspireing teachings of the governing body is labeled "mentally diseased" meaning these people are to be avoided because they have a catchy mental malfunction that is deadly.. all governments are controlled by an invisible master mind who has only evil intentions and is leading the vast majority of the human race to thier destruction.

  and thier followers are encouraged to hate what jehovah hates and jehovah hates all the governments of the earth includeing isreal and even the united nations of which they are members as an ngo.. in russia thier literature is rightly ban because it is reccognized as hatred inspireing.

  (no shit sherlock!).

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  Frankie,
  
  You seem like a nice guy, but I'm not going to continue with detailed responses because you clearly will think you're right about the law no matter what. I imagine in another dimension, this quality would make you a good regular pioneer. My only question is whether you think that what you copied and pasted from Wikipedia proves that you are correct that the WTS shunning policy is breaking the law? Because it doesn't; in fact it does quite the opposite.

  -Chas
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  Why are the Jehovah's Witnesses not allowed to carry a weapon (for protection) during field service?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if jesus allowed peter to carry a sword for protection, why are the jehovah's witnesses against carry a weapon during their "fun" door-to-door adventuring?

  it seems jesus did not mind that peter carried a sword if we read luke 22:36-38. is it another case of picking and choosing what works for their man-made doctrine?.

  is defending oneself a violent act, according to the jehovah's witnesses?

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  Chaserious

  Good way to respond to a "conversation stopper"